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Old March 21st, 2007, 09:32 PM
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Natura has their own dry food plant and I believe Menu only produces canned food. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
That's what I think too. Hopefully, they will answer my email.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 09:34 PM
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Here's the announcement from Canidae's website:

While it is reassuring, note that it does not say that their products aren't produced by Menu, only that their canned food isn't affected, and not produced in the same facility. That's a bit dodgy.
I read on another forum that someone got a reply from Canidae stating that they have no affiliation with Menu Foods and that their canned food is made at Evanger's plant.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:22 AM
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I'm contacting PETA because NV is on their list of companies that don't test of animals. If their canned foods are produced at Menu Foods (who obviously DO test on animals) then I think they should be removed from the list. They should be responsible for the actions of those who make their food!

I hope that doesn't make me too obsessed.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:24 AM
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I think the testing Menu was doing was palatability tests with customers animals. PETA does not consider this "animal testing".
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:36 AM
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I think the testing Menu was doing was palatability tests with customers animals. PETA does not consider this "animal testing".
Peta is already calling on lawyers over Peta testing pets with the foods : peta
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 03:38 PM
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so no answers from these emails yet? have they isolated the exact ingredient that has caused this yet? any chance of dry food being affected?

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Old March 22nd, 2007, 03:47 PM
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I've received no response from Timberwolf and have now sent them another email telling them if they don't clarify whether their food is made by Menu or manufactured in the affected plant, they'll be losing my business. $150 in kibble sales per month may not be much but it could add up if others follow suit because of their secrecy.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 04:01 PM
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Wellness

I e-mailed Canidae last night and received a response today. Pretty quick, I am impressed. I e-mailed Solid Gold in September, still waiting for my response.

This is the response I received to my e-mail. Hope it calms a few minds. It did mine.

No, Canidae is not produced at any of Menu Foods facilities or affiliated in any way with Menu foods or any of the other companies that they produce cans for. In addition, we do not purchase any of our ingredients from their suppliers. The same holds true for our dry dog and cat foods.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 04:04 PM
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Thank you Mumm.. I have about 1-2 pounds of TO left.. If they don't up their customer service or deal with their secrecy issue I won't be rebuying.. I was unamused before this pet food scare, but now.. yeesh.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 04:08 PM
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Yeah ~ I just don't get it. If I want to find out where the thread in my jeans is sourced ~ I can. But, where my dawgz food is sourced from and made is "proprietary" ??? Not good enough.

Good work Copperbelle !
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 04:12 PM
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I emailed back and forth with Wellness customer affairs today. They said that Menu does make their canned food, but that they source their own ingredients.

She also said that the problems were limited to Chunks and Gravy style food, and Wellness doesn't make that. She tried to tell me that the problem was the wheat gluten, but when I pressed she backtracked and said they don't actually know what specific ingredient has caused all the problems.

Take that for what you will. She also told me that Menu Foods is "top notch manufacturer that receives excellent scores for food safety and quality systems".



Also this website: http://www.petconnection.com/ states that as of Thursday AM, 840 pets deaths had been reported to them. I'm not sure how acurate that is. If true it's very, very sad.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 04:44 PM
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Wellness

Yesterday I read a report in Yahoo news and it stated that they do not know the source of the contamination. The FDA suspects wheat gluten but no one is sure yet.
Now Wellness admits that is contracts it's canned food out to Menu Foods. My mother feeds her little dog Wellness canned. She is going to panic.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 05:05 PM
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I have a problem with the same plant making decent food and foods with unspecified meat sources... I don't think they could prove enough that my dogs canned food is 110% free of anything that shouldn't be there being in the same plant...

Since menu seems to make endless skeazy low end products.. They aren't top notch anything.
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I read on another forum that someone got a reply from Canidae stating that they have no affiliation with Menu Foods and that their canned food is made at Evanger's plant.
Whew! I certainly hope so! Thanks.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 05:37 PM
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My reply from Natura Pet Foods (Innova, California Natural):

Natura Pet Products owns and operates two manufacturing facilities, including a new, state-of-the-art manufacturing plant in Fremont, Nebraska. Our plants are AIB Certified “Superior”, Organic Certified, USDA APHIS Registered and ISO 9001:2001 compliant. Natura does utilize Menu Foods to manufacture canned products; however, Natura maintains final review and strict approval of all formulation designs, including the types and quality of ingredients included. Menu Foods is responsible for quality control in its facilities, based upon their Good Manufacturing Practice process; a copy of which is on file in our offices. Natura has a complete and documented Product Quality reference on hand detailing the quality standards for each formula and can size produced under Natura’s labels. Each of our canned products are routinely reviewed and compared to the standards set out in this reference material. It is important to emphasize that: 1) the Menu Foods recall is specific to “cuts and gravy” products WHICH NATURA DOES NOT SELL, and; 2) Natura’s canned products are made at a facility which has NOT BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE RECALL. Since being notified of the recall, Natura has been in direct contact with Menu Foods management and have a 100% confidence level that our canned products in the market are healthful and safe.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 06:03 PM
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[QUOTE=mafiaprincess;396462]I have a problem with the same plant making decent food and foods with unspecified meat sources... I don't think they could prove enough that my dogs canned food is 110% free of anything that shouldn't be there being in the same plant...QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly MP!
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 06:51 PM
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Menu Foods is responsible for quality control in its facilities, based upon their Good Manufacturing Practice process; a copy of which is on file in our offices.
a practice apparently worth less than the paper it's printed on yeah, that is reassuring all right... buh-bye Natura!!
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 07:48 PM
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it seems that all the companies are responding with the same thing...

“cuts and gravy" “cuts and gravy" “cuts and gravy"

but how do they know it is only “cuts and gravy" if they have no isolated the problem?
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:17 PM
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a practice apparently worth less than the paper it's printed on yeah, that is reassuring all right... buh-bye Natura!!
Actually, not to defend them or anything, but the GMPs are really important... It doesn't mean they follow them, I guess, but if they do, they're pretty good..
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:19 PM
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I sell Wellness at my shop and I will contact my rep. tomorrow. I wouldn't worry about contamination with the cans of Wellness. The problem is with the wheat gluten added to canned food to increase the protein content and Wellness contains no wheat of any kind in their foods or cookies.

I'll see what info I can get....
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:22 PM
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hmmm according to the FDA, the source of the contamination has NOT yet been identified... until it is, I would just be wary of anything coming out of the Menu plant...
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I'm with Techno. My trust is mighty low. It could be wheat.. Meat and bone meal.. something that possibly shouldn't be in any food.. alien babies..

They are makign way too much stuff in one place that is all supposed to be different. A lot of it containing really sketchy things. I'm pretty bothered even if I do rarely use canned foods.. Something about the principal of good companies sharign a plant with nasty ones...
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 11:31 PM
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I totally agree. I very seldom use canned as I supplement with human food but I am really ticked off for the same reason.

It would be much better if all the premium companies used their own facilities or even shared. But, I just have a real hard time with a premium food being made at the same plant as Ol' Roy.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 11:55 PM
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What if its not wheat? What if its chicken, lamb, rice??? That would mean its in our dry foods too. And how do I know when MenuFoods is putting Ol Roy together and throwing the corn in the mix, they arent saying "hey lets replace X in Wellness with corn". No one knows for sure. I will never buy anything coming out of Menu Foods again. Maybe I'm paranoid. Oh well. These are my pets lives.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:10 AM
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I just read that the FDA may have some answers about the cause tomorrow.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:32 AM
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Yeah, in the meantime, I'm considering putting Boo on 100% canidae instead of 1/2 Canidae and 1/2 evo...
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 07:42 AM
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But, I just have a real hard time with a premium food being made at the same plant as Ol' Roy.
That is exactly what has been bothering me since this whole thing started:sad:
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Nature's variety

Are you talking about this nature's variety: http://www.naturesvariety.com/ or is there a different one? The canned?? I was thinking about trying their frozen raw. Thanks
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