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Timberwolf Change
I have been browsing your forum for a few months now and really like it. A lot of you seem very involved and knowledgeable. I decided it was time to jump in a join the fun!
I started feeding my dog Timberwolf a few months ago. She really likes it and seems to do well on it. I heard though that they have changed processing plants and am a little worried about a change in formula or what effect the manufacturing change will have on the food. Have any of you Timberwolf feeders received any of the new food? |
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They were using the Diamond plants to make their foods, so I'm guessing after the massive recall, TO decided to jump ship.. Not sure what effect it will have on the food or if there are new developments...
Oh and welcome to the board!! |
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Welcome! It will be interesting to see if there is a difference. Not sure how many plants can handle that high meat through the extruder!
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Only 2 of their formulas has a somewhat higher meat content the Nutrient dense Lamb and Rice has a protein level suitable for large breed puppies so not really that high a meat content, the Wild & Natural Dry has the highest meat content but they chose for it as the main igredient chicken which is the cheapest of available meat sources. , and the black forest has a very low meat content as it is meant as a meat mixer for healthy dogs (meaning you need to add meat to it) Much of their foods would be much the same meat content as Canidae. and other premium foods Any food that contains grains (wheat, corn, rice, barley , millet, oats etc) can have potentially high myotoxin level, whether it is at the time of processing or even sitting at your house during hot humid weather, all grains with contain some molds, a certain percent is deemed acceptable in human foods, slightly higher in pets food, and considerably higher for livestock feed, when light or heat and humidity hits the existing mold it starts to multiply, even heat from processing will not kill these molds, so what happened at Diamond could occur in any food that contains grains.
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Good luck trying to find out who manufactures Timberwolf's food cuz they sure won't tell you. I read on another forum that someone (who owns a pet store) "thinks" it might be made at the same plant as Solid Gold because the packaging and coding system is the same.
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Sneaky, sneaky.
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I just emailed Solid Gold to see if they'll confirm it.
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Gotta really wonder if it is such a big secret, that they do not want anyone to know,may be went really downhill in the choice of plants like Doane Pet Care Anyway regardless of which plant is producing the public should have a right to know when they inquire, espcially will all the aflatoxins and mytoxin incidences that have occured over the last number of years as if a bad shipment of grain arrives it can used inseveral different brands and has in th past not only at Diamond foods Quote:
depriving owners of knowing where a food is made in te event of such an incident, prevents them from taking precautions such as preparing a homemade diet or getting their dog to a vet ifcommon symptoms exist for immediate treatment to prevent further liver damage until they hear and learn what foods and what lot numbers are affected
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I agree wholeheartedly that TO should be upfront and tell the public where their food is manufactured. I think they are the only pet food company that will not disclose the information. I would really like to know what their reason for this is.
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I received an answer from Solid Gold:
Thank you for your inquiry, Timberwolf organics and Solid Gold are not made at the same manufacturing facility. I do not know who is now manufacturing Timberwolf Organics at this time. Best regards, Solid Gold I guess the mystery will remain a secret. |
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Rainbow have you ever called TO and gotten a person? Or do they always have to call you back?
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I've never called as I read too many comments saying that you get nowhere with them. Did you try?
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So far, I've always been able to recieve information from the other companies that I've made numerous inquiries to (Solid Gold & DVP Natural Balance). Hopefully I'll have just as good as results with TO. |
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At one time TO was manufactured at one of the Diamond plants and when Diamond had their troubles they tried to hide the fact. They have since changed to a different manufacturer but still will not disclose information. I have heard of numerous people trying to email them to find but it's still a mystery.
Good luck and please let us know if you find out. |
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the form that occured in diamonds foods was alfatoxin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aflatoxin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin Even some levels can be found in meat(livestock) much is filtered out by the liver but grains based foods tend to be worse and act as sugar source to feed molds so they can grow in summer foods need to kept on a cool dark place with low humidity to prevent the molds from growing to toxic proportion The last link mentions binding agents one type of binding agent is Montmorillonite(bentonite) Clay which Natures Variety adds to their pet foods http://naturesvariety.com/content.la...9F48OlQXEA9ECB I think in time we will see this added to more and more pet foods as a safety precaution but more worrying may be that the FDA will then allow grains with higher levels of mycotoxins to be used in pet foods. Quote:
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"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." - Unknown Last edited by OntarioGreys; February 27th, 2007 at 07:19 PM. |
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Rainbow, I never got anywhere with them, neither by email nor by leaving messages on their machine.....
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Yeah, I hear ya.
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Interesting...I will let you all know if I see any difference. I wonder why they will not disclose.
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OntarioGreys-
Thanks for the great info. I e-mailed TO two days ago with my inquiry about where their foods are produced. No response yet. Interestingly, I've always recieved a response from them concerning other questions....... I really want to know! They will be receiving a call from me as well. |
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Good luck.....I really hope you get an answer. Let us know how you make out.
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Well, it's not Doane Pet care... I called them and asked and they had never heard of TO..
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Who is Doane Pet Care?
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The GIANT food company that makes Ol' Roy and all the walmart brands, along with 35 other "mystery" private brands.
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No wonder I didn't know them .....I don't go near that crap.
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lol Which is why I called them to make sure they aren't making TO.
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new customer service guy at TO
try contacting Chris Porch, he has been quite responsive and posts actively on another forum.
christopher.porch@timberwolforganics.com 407-802-7865. |
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I just sent an email. Hopefully he is better at answering than the owner, Mark.
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Cool! Thank you for that!
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One can only hope for a reply.
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