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I am not saying I agree with what happened, because I don't. I was absolutely disgusted. It was horrifying and morally wrong . I blame the fact that a business was allowed to keep 300 dogs . No business should be able to do so, it only leads to poorly kept dogs and killings such as what did happen. I absolutely agree that the laws will only change if people are screaming at the government, and I mean a lot, because there is going to be hunters and farmers that will also be screaming at the gov't to not change them. What I read of this petition was to charge the person who did the killing, not change the Canadian animal cruelty laws. I just think to waste energy on getting angry at the prosecutor for not charging (I am sure they are looking into the law and trying to come up with an argument that may win their case) this man when in fact, he may not be able to, the energy needs to go into changing the law.
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They are actually looking at criminal charges. I don't know if you have read the official WBC document, but what he claims to have done is horrific! He also posted on a web forum and those posts will be included in the evidence against. He knew what he was doing was wrong, and cruel. But he stated he had no other choice. People ALWAYS have a choice. That's what set us apart, and make us even more despicable as a race... we tend to make the wrong choices the majority of the time. But back to the criminal charges. What will make it possible is the fact the he knew what he was doing, he knew he was killing the dogs in front of each other, causing them stress and actually causing one to attack him. He shot half of one of the dogs (Suzie, the mother of his family dog) face off. He said her scream was the most awful sound and it caused him to drop her leash. She ran from him screaming, with her eye hanging out of the socket, another dog. When he tried to approach her to finish the job, the other dog attacked him. He knew after dog #15 that he was torturing them, yet he continued, killing another 85.
But it's the "intent to inflict pain or harm", all this guy has to say I didn't mean to do it, I wanted a clean, quick kill and using a gun would be proof that he tried to do a quick kill. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor, not the defense. He didn't mean to do it... 100 times?? He won't be able to use that as a defense. If it were only one dog, he could say that. Maybe even 10. But he stated himself that the other dogs knew what he was doing, stressed out, attacked him, tried to run etc. At one point he said he would shoot them and when they didn't die he would slit their throats. He knew the kills were quick or clean, and that's why he had a knife as a backup. I personally think that anyone who loves animals and wants better laws in place to protect them should read those documents. It will bring you to tears and make you angry. Hopefully, angry enough to stand up and make some noise. I pray that he greatly exaggerated to get the PTSD paid, but I don't really think he did. Even if he did exaggerate, the fact that he killed all those dogs is true. They have found the mass grave and the dogs (what is left) will be recovered as evidence.
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Here is his WSIB claim....at first it was denied then a review was carried out, consequently it was then approved.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...Iv2ibED&pli=1# Proving "intent" is not as easy as it seems on the surface. Regardless that it is 1 dog or 1000 dogs, if the "intent" to cause pain and suffering is not there it makes it that much more difficult to bring any charges....sigh. |
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I agree with you Rguerts
As the law stands today it is hard to prove "intent"......believe it or not the current law is an improvement on the old one ....Canda refuses to recognize animals as anything more than "property". Ontario has the strongest Animal Cruelty Laws in Canada and it much easier to guarantee some sort of prosecution even though once it reaches the Courts the penalties are almost laughable. Judges are given the power to give harsher penalties but rarely does that happen....sigh |
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I don't know if all the media attention in the world will help in getting anyone held accountable for what's already happened because of the way the laws are worded, but it can be enough to have those laws rewritten and/or updated. I have a very busy life, and a lot to deal with already, but if my voice will help in anyway, I'll be there
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I think we can all be respectful to each other without being rude, no? The vibe I have got from the time I've been on pets is that if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all. I know for myself, if I can't offer input on an issue without being respectful to others here, I don't post... it's just that simple. Quote:
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Like I said the people that owned the dogs, the company that made a buck off their pulling sleds, and the man that slit and shot the dogs, all deserve to burn in hell for an eternity. Whether they do or not is unfortunately not my decision to make but I will be screaming, I will be protesting, I will be writing and calling members of parliment.
And if I can I would like to organize a rally in Calgary, not just for dog guardians but animals of every type guardians. The laws need to change. And I do hope those involved all burn in hell I make no apologies for my anger and disgust.
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php...43960132332295 Here is the info in case you don't have FB: Calgary, AB - Memorial walk for the 100 Slaughtered Sled Dogs Time Sunday, February 13 · 2:00pm - 4:00pm Location Pathway in front of edworth park 5050 spruce Dr Sw North side (facing Shaganappi trail/16th ave) Calgary, AB Created By Boycotting Outdoor Adventures in BC, Whistler More Info: People across BC are doing Memorial walks to remember the 100 Slaughtered dogs. I plan on meeting on the pathway in front of Edworthy park, and we will walk down that pathway for as long as people feel they can go. Please feel free to bring your dogs if you have. I plan on bringing and holding a picture of a Husky (Sled Dogs) please feel free to do the same. Please join me in remembering these poor beautiful dogs that were slaughtered so unnecessarily.
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Cya there!
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LMPG, were won't be going to the walk in Calgary, unfortunately
It's a 6 hour drive total. We are going to the candle light memorial in Innisfail this eve, it's only a 3 hour drive round trip If I had known about the Calgary event yesterday (one yesterday and one today), we would have made that trip, but it's hard on Sunday as all 3 of us work early tomorrow. Take a lot of pics for me!! And thank you for showing your support!! Every body counts
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I didn't know about the one yesterday, do you know if there are any others being planned in Calgary? I'll go to as many as I can.
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Hope and I will be there.
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Maybe this summer we can get together! I don't mind the drive on a Friday (I only work Monday-Thursday) or Saturday. It's just a little too long on a Sunday having to work Monday lol. I posted another thread with a FB link to an organization that is doing some wonderful work keeping this in the public eye. They are linking all the rallies/walks on their page in the events section. This is the link to the post: http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=75256 There is a candle light vigil set for April 23 (anniversary date) and places all over the world will be joining in. I'm organizing the event for Edmonton, and I think there is already one for Calgary
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Thank you Kitona!! All support is very much appreciated
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I went, and the turn out was good! Of course I wish there were more but I was impressed with how many showed up.
The first half was amazing, ppl honking in support. However the last half, was not so great. More like a wilderness walk along a sometimes very treacherous path. But I'm glad I did the entire loop. Kato, made friends with a big majestic sled dog named Louie, and Jersey made buds with a little Yorkie. There were lots and lots and lots of dogs. I made some quick signs for hubby and I and a lady took pics of them to post on the boycott OA site. I got to meet a lovely lady with the Daisy Foundation at the end, and I put my name in to volunteer for them as well. My legs hurt, but it was worth every second. Hubby took camera but forgot it in the car, so he ran to get it at the end and managed to take a pic of me plopped on my butt on the snow and ice cuz I couldn't stand anymore when we finally arrived full circle.
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signed but don't know if it will help any, and its too late for those poor puppies
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It is too late for those poor puppies, but it isn't too late for the ones that are left (200). And it certainly isn't too late to change the laws so if something like this happens again, they can be held accountable! Thank you for signing!
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That's awesome!!! There was a great turnout in Innisfail too, for as small as it is. I expected maybe 10, but there was close to 50! Beautiful dogs, alot of Huskies and Mals, and many other breeds large and small! I took some pics and will submit them to BOA. I'll be heading to the one in Red Deer next Saturday. We met some wonderful people Post your pics I'll post mine as soon as I get a chance!
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The whole thing sickens me. What is wrong with our world that we value life so little?
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That's what people are trying to change, the wording. A bill did pass that allows for stiffer penalties, but it doesn't do any good to have stiffer penalties for a crime you can't convict due to loopholes I read something today that was SO true regarding the stiffer penalty law: It's like doing a brake job on a car who's engine won't start.... pointless.
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Chris was kind enough to share this link with me. I it will shed a little more light on what really happened and possibly allow for criminal charges to be made. YAY for the courts!! This alone is progress, even if it is due to public pressure!! http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome
Outside the court, SPCA lawyer Chris Rhone told CTV News that he was happy with the decision. "The court found that the investigation into the potential criminal acts outweighs the interest of the worker to be protected," he said. "I'm pleased with it." YES! Scumbag 's like that shouldn't have rights to begin with IMO
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It just blows my mind! So technically, I could do something completely stupid, and even possible criminal, go to the doctor and say I can't sleep, eat etc... that I stressed myself out so bad I can't function and then I can sit at home, on my ass and collect EI. WAIT ... that's not a bad idea!!!
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"Obey my dog!" - Mugatu "Who can believe that there is no soul behind those luminous eyes!" ~ Theophile Gautier "Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole" - Ok... whoever said this has never had a sick or special needs baby. They ARE our whole life! R.I.P. my sweet, handsome Thorin. You are missed dearly Dec. 25, 1999 - Mar. 4, 2012 |
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AND... for the first time (at least that I have ever heard of), animals rights are taking precedence over human rights!! What is the world coming to?
It's gotta be the peer pressure, at least in part
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Shocking I love it. And make the scum give back the money he has already gotten.
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