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Raw Fed 11 yo female cat with elevated creatinine levels - what to do?
Hi there,
I'm new here - I hope ya'll don't mind me jumping right in there and asking for help. I have two cats - one 16yo male and a 11yo female who's deaf. They were both raised on commercial food, until I switched to the raw food diet about two years ago, when my 16yo male was diagnosed with diabetes. He received insulin shots for approx. a year, until I gave up giving them to him since he was not tolerating them anymore. Kept having his blood tested, to make sure he was doing well... Turned out the blood sugar levels were back within normal range - so he has been in remission for about a year now. I took the 11yo cat to the vet, because she's been peeing outside her box for a while now. I know it can be related to many things, so the blood/urine tests at the vet was the first step to try and discover if there was a medical reason for her to do that. Turns out she has elevated creatinine values (forgot to ask the vet about the number, but the vet did say the number was low), which suggests some various level of kidney problems. She also had a bit of protein in her urine. But other than that, her tests were good. The vet, of course, mentioned that the high protein content of the raw food diet was not helping, and that it might be wise to switch her back to a senior commercial diet, she suggested G/D. What I feed them: -Grounded raw meaty bones mixed with either chunks or grounded raw meat (turkey, chicken, salmon), egg yolk, salmon oil, cod liver oil, Vit A, Vit B complex, Vit E, taurine (or hearts when I have them fresh), a little bit of phsyllium husk but not always. They also get goat's milk as a treat. Any of you have any suggestion in regards to modifications I could bring to the diet? I really want to keep her on the raw food diet, but I don't want to tax her system either. Feel free to past this along to anyone you think could help! Thanks so very much! |
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First off yay for going raw You should be adding some organs in on a regular basis though, Liver especially is great heart as well. Cats should be getting 5-10% of their overall raw diet as organ with Liver making up half the organ content. Another 10% is rmb and the other 80% raw boneless meat. An imbalance of RMB to Organs depending on which way will cause either constipation or loose stools, therefore you will need to adjust based on your cats needs.
A good idea would also be to add a teaspoon or two of water to the raw food, give both your cats a little extra boost in the hydration department. Was the creatinine the only value on the blood test that was high? Anything else abnormal? Elevated Creatinine levels can indicated kidney failure, but can also be indicative of diabetes or pancreatitis There is also some talk in the raw community that a raw fed cat/dog will have slightly different blood levels due to the higher protein levels in the raw meat they are ingesting. Creatinine is a waste product of muscles, therefore a large muscular male cat may have a naturally higher level Creatinine, also if the muscles are not in use or overly used there may be increased levels of creatinine. In the urine test was the only thing abnormal the protein? What about the Urine Specific Gravity what was that number? Did they do a urine culture and sensitivity test? Generally speaking peeing outside the litter box is not a symptom of kidney failure but more of a urinary tract infection or a kidney infection. Proteinuria (protein in urine) can be an early indicator of kidney failure but it can also be caused by diabetes or hypertension. Quote:
My 17 yr old cat was diagnosed with chronic renal failure nearly 2 years ago and she's been on a raw diet for the last 14 months as recommended by her Homeopath Vet, so I certainly don't hold to the lower protein theory.
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Great advice Growler.
Here are some links that may help you: http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/labreports.html and another site: http://www.felinecrf.com/tests0.htm About protein restriction: http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-kidney-disease.htm http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00124.htm
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Thanks so much for all the info, Growler. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer me.
I do use hearts and livers and gisards when I find them fresh. I have yet to find a steady supplier of those. I also do add water to the food, which I forgot to mention. Otherwise it's almost impossible to mix everything together! The only abnormal values she got was the creatinine and proteins in her urine (although the vet mentioned it was a low level for both). They looked for signs of urinary tract/bladder infections (bacteria in urine, etc), but nothing. Blood sugar was great, everything actually pointed to her being in fabulous shape but those two levels the vet mentioned. I actually called the vet back this morning to ask about the level of creatinine for Geri - it was 250, while they said the normal level is 177. Geri is absolutely tiny, she weights just about 7 pounds. A year ago, she was at 6.5lbs. The vet did say that the creatinine level could be the start of kidney problems or simply dehydration. Maybe I could increase the water in the food i prepare for them? That can't hurt, certainly. Quote:
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Would you be willing to share what kind of food you feed your cat? Thanks again so much for all the help! |
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Love4himies, thanks so much for the links! I'll go have a look right now.
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Good luck with your kitty.
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I did find this, I know it is about dogs fed raw, but that tells me, cats who are fed raw could have variations in their blood work results too as compared to commercially fed.
http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/cli...3/jun03_02.htm
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Excellant on the weight gain Since the only value that was abnormal was the creatinine it is quite likely is was just a bit of dehydration, though you will want to retest in 3-6 months to be sure, depending on when your vet says. Quote:
I also, as recommended by my Homeopath vet, give Duffy Nucat vitamins which include taurine. A good website to check out is http://rawfedcats.org/ they are pretty much against feeding ground raw but other than that the site is very informative.
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But it's always bugged me - knowing if the raw chicken lamb, beef I feed her has the optimal levels of phosphorus. I carefully read the kibble nutrition tables on the commercial food bags to find the highest quality food with the lowest phos. But how does one know if the raw meats have low phosphorus? |
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Just hoping I'm doing the right things. The vet says she's doing remarkably well... for her age. She just underwent surgery for a tooth abscess and pulled through with flying colors. Thanks, Growler. |
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