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wow...three posts in a row.....I'm really brain dead today!!
Have you thought of Merricks Wilderness Blend (I think it's available here....) Ingredients: Buffalo, Oatmeal, Barley, Salmon Meal, Venison,Whole Brown Rice, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols – a source of Natural Vitamin E and Ascorbic Acid, a source of Vitamin C), Flaxseed, Potatoes, Carrots, Peas, Dried Chicken Liver, Whole Apples, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Lysine, Guar Gum, Salt, Choline Chloride, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Whole Blueberries, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Whole Clove Garlic, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Natural Venison Flavor, Chicory Root, Marigold Extract, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterocococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Natural Celery Flavor, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Natural Caramel Color, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3, Niacin, Lecithin, Ribofl avin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Amino Acid Complex, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite. Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (Not Less Than) 24.0% Crude Fat (Not Less Than) 14.0% Crude Fiber (Not More Than) 3.5% Moisture (Not More Than) 10.0%
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Yes - Just a Wee Bit has also changed:
Bison, Salmon Meal, Brown Rice, Millet, Cracked Pearled Barley, Rice Bran, Canola Oil, Tomato Pomace, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Salmon Oil, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Dried Chicory Root, Parsley Flakes, Pumpkin Meal, Almond Oil, Sesame Oil, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Thyme, Blueberries, Cranberries, Carrots, Broccoli, Vitamins and Minerals. So, yes - identical as the Wolf King but more %protein and %fat. |
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Just a Wee Bit Adult (bison) Bison | Salmon Meal | Millet | Brown Rice | Cracked Pearled Barley | Rice Bran | Canola Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Garlic | Amaranth | Blueberries | Yucca Schidigera Extract | Dried Chicory Root | Taurine | Carotene | Choline Chloride | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate | Zinc Proteinate | Copper Proteinate | Manganese Proteinate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Panthothenate | Selenomethionine | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid | Crude Protein, Min 28% Crude Fat, Min 18% Crude Fiber, Max 4% Moisture, Max 10% 380 kcal/cup WolfKing Adult Dog (bison) Bison | Salmon Meal | Brown Rice | Millet | Cracked Pearled Barley | Oatmeal | Rice Bran | Canola Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Garlic | Amaranth | Blueberries | Yucca Schidigera Extract | Carotene | Choline Chloride | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate | Zinc Proteinate | Copper Proteinate | Manganese Proteinate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Panthothenate | Selenomethionine | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid | Protein, Min 22% Fat, Min 9% Fiber, Max 4% Moisture, Max 10% Calories per cup, 364
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Oh, this so sucks that SG would do this...I really wonder why?
Prin, I'm still new to the food thing-I know the issues with brewer's yeast and menadione, but why no eggs? Is it an allergy thing, or worrying that the dried egg product is just egg and not shell?
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It's a stool hardener. It's just the fact that without the added grains it shouldn't *need* to be in there. And now there will be two to balance the new formula out..
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Huh-I didn't realize that egg was a stool hardener. Thought it was just a protein source. That's why I love this site-ya learn something new every day!
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If you are just looking for poultry free good stuff, TO dakota bison could be on that list of more impossible to get but you know you wanna try foods.
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No, I just don't want the egg in there in case Boo is allergic. Most of these foods I would have to special order at the very least, and I just can't take the chance that he might be intolerant to one ingredient from the start. It's very hard to switch Boo. It took me 4 months to get his stools solid after switching to WK and I must have taken 2-3 weeks at least to do the switch. He's a very sensitive guy.
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Hard stool= empty anal glands (usually- some dogs' fill up either way). In this case, SG upped the oat content (fast) so they compensated with tomato pomace to slow it down. Both are unnecessary and a cheap way to fill the food bag. Quote:
Too bad they're changing the wee bit too. Really kills the mojo about SG. I have a feeling they're going to lose a lot of customers. This isn't like Iams switching formulas. Most people who know about SG have done at least a little research. You rarely would just stumble on it without any idea of what it's about. WK was really on the border of being too grainy and this just does it in for me. I didn't get a response from either SG or TO today... Fridays, eh? |
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Oh, and yeah, Manitoba is on the west side- here's a map:
http://www.optimaldog.com/retailers/index.html |
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Merrick was the next one I was going to look at because my store has the cans so I figured they could get the bags in too. |
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Eggs tend to be very low allergy and a very highly disgestible protein source, one of the best complete proteins available and the amount in dog tends to be very little as it is usually very low down the list and is used mostly to help bind the ingredients, do you ever give the dogs a piece of bread or bun, breads contains eggs as well.
Fish diets may be great if they contain only deep water ocean fish like menhanden, herring but salmon is an big no-no to me especially for daily feeding, their fatty cells absorb a lot of carcingenic pollutants like PCB's and Mercury which is the reason humans are told not to eat more than 2 meals of a month. Most salmon that is used will be farmed salmon as wild salmon has stiff regulations as to when it can be caught, so not always available, and farmed salmon has much more toxins than wild , plus wild is much more expensive than farmed salmon which would likely more than double the cost if only wild pacific salmon was used. but even pacific salmon contain PCB's, after hatching they spend the first part of their life in inland rivers and that along the ocean shore until they are larger and they come back to the rivers to spawn and die, they never pass the toxins they simply are stored in their fatty cells so the bigger they are the more toxins they contain, the smaller salmon gets sold for human consumption the larger salmon goes to animal feed and processed as fertilizer, so if you feed a kibble with salmon it will have a higher PCB count than the salmon you buy for yourself and this is the advice for farmed salmon for human consumption Quote:
More info on salmon http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG6C46KRV1.DTL Timberwolf Organics is meant as a raw mixer or for those needing lower meat proteins, the amount of meat protien is low, it is not meant as a complete diet for active healthy dogs by itself, so unless you want to add raw meat to their diet it may not be the food choice you are looking for. Ocean Blue Quote:
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I had Harley on the Merrick's for a short while between the Solid Gold and the Timberwolf. There's a post somewhere on here I started asking about which one to go with.
TO came out on top, because it was less grainy, I think but I'll have to look for it. Harley loved the Merrick's too....I had her on the Wilderness Blend. The dried veggies they have in there are a hoot too....peas, carrots, and potato I think.
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OG, TO foods aren't too low - most are at 26% protein, which is still higher than most foods out there. They also say they use wild salmon.
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I have searched the site " nowhere that I can find' does it state wild salmon used in the food though they do sell wild salmon oil as a supplement
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Maybe timber wolf is agreeing with current research that says healthy dogs need a "minimum" of 30% protein and that may be the reason they suggest adding raw meat to the kibble, and why they consider 22 to 26% as low to moderate protein I know you are still wary of high protien but the way I look at it as I would not buy a custom made sportcar from someone who specialized and did all their research strictly on mopeds, so why buy a dogfood thats protein research is based on the health effects on rats(non carnivores) I was looking for something else but came across this on labbies.com/nutrition_letters.htm that may be of interest to you Prin, it is not something I had heard of before but quite interesting, that feeding fish or fish supplements may actually increase the symptoms of food allergies Quote:
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not the same as the percentage of protein in the total diet, example you feed one pound of meat and 8 ounces of vegatable a day that is a total of 24 ounces, both have similiar water content in raw form, which will be absorbed in the digestive tract so the meat protein is then 60 % of the total raw diet. this is the percent we are talking about, but many grains also contain protein which is why some foods may have higher protein and less real meat Last edited by OntarioGreys; September 15th, 2006 at 07:59 PM. |
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OG, you have me completely confused... sorry
say you are feeding your dog an exclusive prey model diet (no grains, no veggies). only meat, bones, organ meats. what would the average protein % be? as absorbed by the body?
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OG, thank you for the explanation! it makes sense. and by following a prey-model diet, the bone-to-meat ratio is perfectly balanced, what a beaut!
sorry for the threadjack folks. sometimes it just happens
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I did a quick check at my store while purchasing food today and found this one,
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It doesn't have menadione in it anymore. They are just using up their supply of empty bags. Once the supply is used up the new bags will not list it as an ingredient.
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Yeah, I always forget about that one because it's not on the petcurean website yet (still). I might be able to get that one somewhere... maybe...
OG, if I can't feed chicken or salmon, what's left? Just lamb, beef or "wild" meats? hmm.... I'd rather the salmon... I don't think dogs live long enough to have the carcinogenic effects of the salmon... |
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hey prin, silly question... why do jemma & boo have to eat the same food? are they free-fed?... just curious, cuz their allergies are not the same, if i remember?...
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No, they're not the same allergies and technically they don't have to eat the same food, but if I find a food for Boo, it works for Jemma too. Jemma's easy.
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no, it makes sense to buy one food for both, much simpler re: buying in bulk and the food stays fresher cuz it gets eaten faster. man, i really hope you find something soon!
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