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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:45 PM
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How come I can never find the go natural salmon on the internet?!
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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:50 PM
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Oh, no, not really. Nothing too "off-road" lately. And it's weird because it's the top of the web, not the underside.
We'll usually see small abrasions on the front 'edge' of the webbing...but sometimes, if it's from long grass, for example, it'll 'wrap' to the top. There's usually some irritation between the pads and on the underside of the webbing, though, so that's probably not Boo's problem.

Ah well... It was a thought, anyway...
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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM
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K, phoenix posted the ingredients in the other thread (thanks phoenix!).. But it's so oaty. And has citric acid.. Menadione has been removed already, I believe.
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Ingredients:

Salmon Meal, Salmon, Oatmeal, Whole Oats, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols [Vitamin E], Citric Acid [Vitamin C] and Rosemary extract), Oat Fiber, Inulin (FOS), Mannanoligosaccharides (MOS), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Yeast Culture, Vitamin A Acetate, Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), dl Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E), Ferrous Sulfate, **Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Sulfate, **Copper Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, **Manganese Proteinate, Riboflavin, Calcium Iodate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Carbonate, Menadione Sodium Bisulphate Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin B12.
** These items are chelated minerals.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein - (min) - 22.00%
Crude Fat - (min) - 12.00%
Crude Fiber - (max) - 3.80%
Moisture - (min) - 10.00%
Omega 6 Fatty Acids - 2.75%
Omega 3 Fatty Acids - 0.30%
Vitamin E - (min) - 200 IU/kg
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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:52 PM
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Ah well... It was a thought, anyway...
Thanks for that though. Even if it might not be Boo, I'm still glad you suggested it.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:53 PM
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How come I can never find the go natural salmon on the internet?!
Probably because it's hard to type with fins, so they don't use the internet unless it's an emergency...

Sorry, Prin, I couldn't resist... all those ticks made me a little
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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:57 PM
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hee hee..
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Old October 20th, 2006, 10:46 PM
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The orijen has chicken in it.

I might end up having to work on Jems and Boobs separately. For Boo maybe the Go Natural salmon one might work, and for Jemma, who knows! It can't be grainy, but it can have chicken in it... Hey, she might be ok on the orijen... hmm...

If bleddy TO would ever get back to me... Things would be decided by now.
Whoops, I forgot about the chicken.

If I were you ( ) I would contact Peter and ask him if he is/will consider making a RM Orijen. You know his customer service is sooo much better than TO's. And, if TO was finally available in QC what if they eventually cheapened their food....you'd never get a reply from them. The food change could just happen too because IMO if a company provides such lousy customer service they don't have a consience.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 10:49 PM
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I just read "somewhere else" that somebody got a back of TO kibble and inside the bag was the wrong kibble.

What about canned?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 10:57 PM
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I'm wondering because Evo RM is 487 KCals/Cup, and their canned food (for rabbit) is 489 KCals/13.2 oz. can... And the cans I can get for about $2.30 each. So one cup + one can... And the can might be easier on the kidneys and more balanced with the phosphorus (they're supposed to contain the whole animal proportions...)...

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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:12 PM
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$2.30 a can for EVO rabbit?? holy heck it's $3.29 at my local petstore u;m... where, please? i may have to go stock up... the beanies have never had rabbit, i just can't afford it

could boo eat a turkey-based kibble, in theory?

ps: why does my big lug need 2500 cals/day so his ribs don't show? grrrrrrr being eaten out of house and home here... help!
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:16 PM
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I don't think he could. He pucked on duck, too.

Do you think it's a good idea though? Half Evo RM and half canned rabbit or venison?

Hey have you checked your guy's thyroid? Maybe he's hyper.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:17 PM
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Oh and http://canada411.yellowpages.ca/busi...ound&pstype=si

Might be $2.60 a can but definitely under $3.00.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:24 PM
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See, this is what bugs me- the Innova Large Breed says this:
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Precisely controlled levels of calcium to phosphorus
And they're 0.9% and 0.7% respectively. So how can they justify the 2.31% and 1.34% in Evo RM?!
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:45 PM
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I don't think he could. He pucked on duck, too.
hockey pucked? sorry i couldn't resist... awe poor boo. i dunno why "grain free" kibbles are so hard to balance right.... they are trying to emulate raw but are ending up with un-natural formula compositions... "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"... ie, leave raw alone! LOL

hey, have you thought of adding a bit of calcium to the food, to balance out the phosporus?? say 2/3 of dry, 1/3 of canned, and then some powdered eggshells sprinkled in there? can they tolerate raw eggs (as a binder for the food)?

i talked to dakotah's breeder and there is zero history of thyroid problems in his bloodlines, she thinks it's his young age, metabolism and levels of exercise that make him need so many calories... he's in super health, just needs alot of food, like those guys who can eat buckets of chicken and then bags of chips and washed down with soda every day and never gain an ounce
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:47 PM
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hey, have you thought of adding a bit of calcium to the food, to balance out the phosporus?? say 2/3 of dry, 1/3 of canned, and then some powdered eggshells sprinkled in there? can they tolerate raw eggs (as a binder for the food)?
No, the calcium is even higher...

The phos is 1.34% and the calcium is 2.31%.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:50 PM
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I just checked and the regular evo is way high too...
Calcium 2.85 %
Phosphorous 1.50 %


Maybe the water in the canned will flush out all the Ca and P? I guess the only upside is that most of it is from natural sources and not mineral add-ons. (Unless they're dumb enough to add more in there anyway.. I so hope not)
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:56 PM
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Sorry, I have ADD tonight...

Maybe when Dakotah stops growing, he'll have less of a metabolic energy requirement.

If you ever have extra cash lying around, I'd get the blood test anyway. Hyperthyroid can be non-genetic too (like me!). The immune system can just decide to attack it out of nowhere and depending on the type of antibodies, it might cause the thyroid to become overactive by immitating thyroid stimulating hormone (like me!).

No history of diabetes either, eh?
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Old October 21st, 2006, 12:10 AM
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See, this is what bugs me- the Innova Large Breed says this:

And they're 0.9% and 0.7% respectively. So how can they justify the 2.31% and 1.34% in Evo RM?!

Why don't you email them? They're pretty good with answering quickly.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 12:12 AM
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I did, and then I realized as I was writing, that I had already emailed them about a month ago, and they never replied.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 01:02 AM
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Really I've always had a response from them within three days.
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Prin why are you afraid of EVO???
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Old October 21st, 2006, 05:48 PM
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The phosphorus and calcium levels are way higher than most other foods, and I've heard stories of dogs getting organ issues on Evo. They're just stories, and who knows if they're true, but I'm still wary, even without them.

If they say, like I said above, that the ideal Ca/P balance is 0.9/0.7%, then how can they justify it being so much higher in evo? And what does the difference do to my dog?

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That's why I'm feedign the rest of the evo rm, then the rest of the dvp and seeign if her ear scratched bum licks get better...
Might go back to wellness whitefish till I get something good out of TO.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 07:15 PM
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I think I might stick with the evo and give canned too. Wouldn't that help? I mean, wouldn't the extra water help flush out the kidneys a bit more?
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Old October 21st, 2006, 07:42 PM
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I would email Innova back again and ask them why it's so much higher in the EVO than the regular.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 08:20 PM
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Would it actually be more water though? I've given cider nasty high energy nutro on occasion when he weight has dropped weirdly low and it looks like I don't feed her.. She just starts to drink less..

Wouldn't it then sorta even out and not necessarily fix the balance?
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I don't think the canned would give them enough extra water. Will they eat it if you mix in more water and make it like a slurry?
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Old October 21st, 2006, 08:41 PM
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Well, right now with the DVP with citric acid, I can't add water... Hey, is that a risk? Like with them drinking more because of the fish oil (), and eating DVP with citric acid, are they more likely to get bloat?

Hmmm... Yeah, the water thing is useless...

See, the other thing is the canned rabbit has a lot of salt, so maybe that will make them drink even more?
Canned Rabbit: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...D%271395%27%5D

I just thought the canned would be more properly balanced than the DVP, so mixing half and half would be better than evo RM alone.

Evo RM: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...D%271404%27%5D

This is so difficult, eh?
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Old October 21st, 2006, 08:47 PM
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It is.. Mix multiple foods cause you hate them all.. you get a possible allergy.. Cut back to one.. you hate it so you whine till the food is all gone..

Need a new food then, and have to pick something I'm not thrilled with cause what I'd like to try I can't get.

I didn't appreciate WK enough when it wasn't sketch.. The ease of just feeding it.. I then wanted to add in a little barking.. make it a lil more complicated... I was a fool.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 08:52 PM
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I just know that my doggies would love to eat rabbit... Especially Boo. He licks his lips when he sees rabbits. I think he ate them before.

I think I'll wait till Monday and call Innova, rather than start writing email #3...

After that, I have no idea.

I just don't like the DVP enough to feed it alone, and the only thing that sucks about the Evo RM is the calcium and phosphorus. The ingredients are good, but I'm not sure if they'd have more allergens for Boo than the DVP. Then again, Boo's not licking today. And I don't like the citric acid in the DVP, especially for Boo. He is the ultimate deep chested dog.

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