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Evo Dry and phosphorous
Hi all
need your thoughts on this.... My cats eat a diet of both wet and dry food, 50% wet, 50% dry (recommended by my vet) I give no grain wet food like wellness, evo, and merrick. For dry I give Evo and alternate sometimes with Orijen. Grain free dry food are high in phosphorous, in long term can this be dangerous? Since it's not their 100% diet I'm not too concerned but i've read that in long term it's not good for kidneys... Do you think I should give a lower phosphorous dry food, like Intova or other good quality dry, even though there are grains....? They have less phosphorous by half of the no grain versions.... thanks!! |
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My opinion is to stop feeding kibble, despite what your vet recommends. There is no such thing as a "good quality" dry. Some are less bad than others, but why even go that route if you don't have to? Your cats like wet food, so stick with that. Maybe try introducing some bits of fresh meat (raw or lightly cooked) as treats if you haven't already.
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thanks for your opinion.
However, after reading almost everything on cat nutrition on the net (drove me almost cazy because didn't know what to do anymore), I chose to trust him beacause he's awesome and believe in a balanced approach . And he doesn't vaccinate , which is rare for a vet... This is the third vet for my cats, because my male cat has ',rolling skin syndrome' and he's the only one who found it and treated him...all the others were incompetent...! So for my cats he recommends this combination and plenty of fresh food for treats... my question was about phosphorous level....there must be some people who feed a mix of wet and dry food here?.... |
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Just curious, why does your vet think cats should eat some dry food? The phosphorus levels in EVO are too high. Will it cause damage to your cats? We don't know. What we do know are the phosphorus requirements for normal healthy adult felines - about 70mg/kg of body weight per day. So if you have a 5kg cat (11 lbs), that would be about 350mg. EVO dry has 396 mg of phosphorus per 100 kcal. If the above mentioned 5kg cat is eating an average of 275 kcal/day of EVO, that's a whopping 1089 mg of phosphorus per day. More than 3 times the required amount. Now of course that will be a little less if you're also feeding wet food, but EVO has 612 calories per cup. So it would have to be a miniscule amount of EVO. Should you feed a different dry food instead, one that has grains, in order to lower the phosphorus? Well I don't personally think that's a very good trade-off, considering all the problems we know carbohydrates can cause. But it's your choice.
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As for the reason for the dry food, thanks to its composition the dry component completes wet food and helps keeping the cat’s teeth and gums in good health. Like if they eat a mouse, they eat ''wet part'' but also dry part (bones etc..) They are about 10 pound each so here what they eat 1/4 cup per day of dry food = 150kcal 1/4 + 1/8 Wet food = 60-75 kcal treats...yogourt, lightly cooked or raw chicken or beef, sardines (in water), salmon sometimes so they eat about 225 kcal ...excluding treats. so dry food is a small part, that lowers the phosphorous content of just dry food.... thanks for the information about phosphorous requirement of an adult cat. Last edited by jencell; February 9th, 2011 at 07:43 PM. |
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I have to commend you for wanting to do what's best for your kitties and for doing all this research. The minimal-to-no vaccine thing will give your guys a major health advantage.
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Some more info to check out on this topic: http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/d...ean-the-teeth/ And the link to an article by Dr. Shawn Messonnier is broken, but here is the text: Quote:
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very interesting! thanks for this.
I've been brushing their teeth since I got them, very young, they are used to it and love the seafood flavor of the toothpaste..ehhe they think it's a treat..so I brush their teeth regularly....! well I really don't know why my vet believes that...I will ask him for sure... he also said to give fresh food eveyday, which i've been doing. before they were fed 100% dry upon recommendation of the breeder...well I didn't know at that time...i think now they eat a lot better but it can be improved for sure! you gave me things to think about for sure thanks |
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