Poultry-free foods!

[Prin]

ok, upon speculation of WK being changed and made worse, if I have to re-research foods that Boo can tolerate... No chicken for Boo, no turkey and no duck. Jemma can't have wheat and corn, but those are easy to eliminate.

Here's what I have so far:

DVP Sweet potato and fish

Originally Posted by DVP Sweet potato and fish

Sweet Potatoes, Salmon, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fish Meal, Canola Oil (preserved With Mixed Tocopherols And Citric Acid), Sweet Potato Fiber, Dl-methionine, L-lysine, Sodium Chloride, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed Oil, Rosemary Extract, Natural Flavor, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin K1 Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid (Vitamin B-9).

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dog...as/SPFish.html
Pros: No chicken! And fish to keep the coat shiny.
Cons: Citric acid (bloat), sweet potatoey, "natural flavor", menhaden (need to know what they preserve it with).

Venison & Brown Rice

Originally Posted by DVP Venison and Brown Rice

Venison, Whole Grain Brown Rice, Rice Flour, Venison Meal, Rice Bran, Canola Oil (preserved With Mixed Tocopherols And Citric Acid), Natural Flavor, Flaxseed Oil, Kelp Meal, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Chloride, Choline Chloride, L-lysine, Dl-methionine, Dicalcium Phosphate, Dried Parsley, Rosemary Extract, Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin K1 Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid (Vitamin B-9).

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dog...as/VenDog.html
Pros: No chicken!
Cons: Citric acid (bloat), "natural flavor", very, very ricey...

Wellness Fish and Sweet potato

Originally Posted by Wellness Fish and Sweet potato

Whitefish, Ground Barley (dehulled), Rye Flour, Menhaden Fish Meal, Ground Pearled Barley, Sweet Potatoes, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a natural source of vitamin E), Tomato Pomace (natural source of lycopene), Natural Fish Flavor, Flaxseed, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride.
Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of zinc), Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of iron), Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of copper), Copper Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of manganese), Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite.
Choline Chloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin K Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Taurine.

Old Mother Hubbard uses ethoxyquin-free meat sources.

http://www.omhpet.com/dogs/wellness_...gSup5MixSwtPot
Pros: No chicken, lotsa fish, no ethoxyquin in the menhaden, at least the natural flavor is specifically fish, although not a specific fish...
Cons: Lotsa Barley, Menadione (till Jan 07), tomato pomace, Jemma hates Wellness foods (she likes the cookies of course)

Wellness Lamb and Rice

Originally Posted by Wellness Lamb and Rice

Lamb, Menhaden Fish Meal, Oatmeal, Ground Barley, Ground Brown Rice, Rice Bran (from brown rice), Rye Flour, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a natural source of vitamin E), Salmon Meal, Tomatoes (natural source of lycopene), Ground Millet, Natural Lamb Flavor, Carrots, Apples, Spinach, Blueberries, Sweet Potatoes, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate.
Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of zinc), Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of iron), Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of copper), Copper Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of manganese), Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite.
Choline Chloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyrodoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin K Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Chicory Root Extract, Glucosamine-HCl, Chondroitin Sulfate, Garlic, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus.
Old Mother Hubbard uses ethoxyquin-free meat sources.

http://www.omhpet.com/dogs/wellness_...DogSup5MixLamb
Pros: No chicken, some fish, no ethoxyquin in the menhaden, at least the natural flavor is specifically lamb, WHOLE tomatoes!!!
Cons: Lotsa rice, Menadione (till Jan 07), Jemma hates Wellness foods still

Originally Posted by Wellness simple solutions Venison

Ground Brown Rice, Venison, Brown Rice Protein, Flaxseed, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Natural Venison Flavor, Taurine, MINERALS: [Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of zinc), Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of iron), Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of copper), Copper Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of manganese), Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite], VITAMINS: [Beta-Carotene, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin C, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin K Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement].

http://www.omhpet.com/dogs/simple_food_venison.html
Pros: No chicken, natural flavor is specifically venison, lots of flax (might be a con, depending on if it's too much and makes Boo itchy)
Cons: Lotsa rice, Menadione (till Jan 07), no fish, Jemma hates Wellness foods still, protein is a bit low (21%)

Nature's Variety Lamb and oatmeal

Originally Posted by Nature's Variety Lamb and oatmeal

Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Barley, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Menhaden Fish Meal, Dicalcium Phosphate, Flaxseed Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Natural Lamb Flavor, Alfalfa Meal, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Biotin, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Folic Acid), Sea Salt, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Sodium Selenite), Lamb Liver, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Apples, Carrots, Peas, Freeze Dried Lamb, Freeze Dried Lamb Hearts, Freeze Dried Lamb Liver, Pumpkinseeds, Ground Lamb Bone, Butternut Squash, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Kelp, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Persimmons, Olive Oil, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Sage, Clove, Rosemary Extract

http://www.naturesvariety.com/conten...82E9YtX3AC3166
Pros: Natural flavor is specifically Lamb, not too grainy, no chicken fat (all other formulas have chicken fat/freeze dried chicken bits)
Cons: have to check what menhaden is preserved with, not sure if Boo can tolerate eggs..., citric acid (bloat), fake bacteria presence (gimmick)


Sigh... I'm gonna post this so I don't lose it and continue on...

[rainbow]

So you're ticked off with Solid Golid for the tomato pomace and Natural flavouring and all of the above have more than that, that you don't like.

[Prin]

Ok, take two...

Innova Evo Red Meat

Originally Posted by Innova Evo Red Meat

Beef Beef Meal Lamb Meal Potatoes Egg Sunflower Oil Buffalo Lamb Venison Beef Cartilage Natural Flavors Herring Oil Apples Carrots Garlic Tomatoes Vitamins/Minerals (Ascorbic Acid, Beta Carotene, Biotin, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Choline Chloride, Cobalt Carbonate, Cobalt Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Dicalcium Pantothenate, dl-Methionine, Folic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Niacin, Potassium Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin C Supplement (Sodium Ascorbate), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement (Alpha Tocopherol), Zinc Proteinate) Cottage Cheese Dried Chicory Root Ascorbic Acid Lecithin Rosemary Extract

http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...D%271404%27%5D
Pros: No chicken! And a little herring oil to maybe keep the coat a little shiny , LOTS of meat, no grains (good for Jemma), WHOLE tomatoes!!!
Cons: Still wary of the 42% , not sure about eggs still, unnamed natural flavor (but they say it's usually the main meat in the food , a little low fiber for Boo...


California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato Adult

Originally Posted by California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato Adult

Herring Barley Oatmeal/Rolled Oats Herring Meal Herring Oil Sweet Potatoes Sunflower Oil Natural Flavors Vitamin E Vitamins/Minerals Rosemary Extract

http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...D%271326%27%5D
Pros: No chicken! And lots of fish! Few grains (good for Jemma), hey- no flax!
Cons: Unnamed natural flavor, protein a little low (21%).


California Natural Lamb Meal & Rice

Originally Posted by California Natural Lamb Meal & Rice

Lamb Meal Ground Brown Rice Ground White Rice Sunflower Oil Taurine Vitamins/Minerals Beta Carotene

http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...d%3D%273%27%5D
Pros: No chicken! Only rice (good for Jemma), hey- still no flax (half pro half con), No unnamed natural flavor
Cons: a little lacking in Omega 3, protein a little low (21%).

[Prin]

Originally Posted by rainbow

So you're ticked off with Solid Golid for the tomato pomace and Natural flavouring and all of the above have more than that, that you don't like.

lol that's why I was on solid gold to begin with.. There was nothing major wrong yet. The California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato one is looking ok though... So far... I just have to find out what the natural flavor is and where to get the food..

[Prin]

Hmm.. Performatrin Ultra Lamb & Brown Rice has "egg product" and brewer's yeast.. No thanks. http://www.performatrinultra.com/dog/ddi_lamb.htm
Slim Care Salmon & Olive Oil has really low fat and egg product and potato product ( ) and brewer's yeast... No thanks. http://www.performatrinultra.com/dog/ddi_salmon.htm

Eagle Pack's Holistic Select formulas have beet pulp and Dried Egg Product. tsk tsk
Lamb meal & Rice one has chicken fat.
http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Lamb.html
http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Fish.html


Fromm Salmon à la Vég

Originally Posted by Fromm Salmon à la Vég

Salmon, Salmon Meal, Brown Rice, Sweet Potato, Pearled Barley, Potato, Oatmeal, White Rice, Whole Dried Egg, Salmon Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Millet, Dried Tomato Pomace, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Cheese, Flaxseed, Oat Hulls, Carrots, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Apples, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Monosodium Phosphate, Calcium Sulfate, Cranberries, Blueberries, Salt, Monocalcium Phosphate, Chicory Root Extract, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Alfalfa Sprouts, Yucca Schidigera, Folic Acid, Whole Clove Garlic, Parsley, Chondroitin Sulfate, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Longum, Lactobacillus Salivarius, Enterococcous Faecium, Vitamin A, D3, E, B12 Supplements, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfate (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Sorbic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite.

http://www.frommfamily.com/products_...dry_salmon.asp
Pros:Lotsa salmon all split up, some grains (average, including the potato as a wannabe grain), some good stuff in there in tiny quantities
Cons:What was the verdict on menadione? Did we ever get a reply? Fake bacterial content (gimmick), a little grainy , Tomato pomace, egg again...

Fromm Whitefish And Potato

Originally Posted by Fromm Whitefish And Potato

Whitefish, Potato, Menhaden Fish Meal, Sweet Potato, Brown Rice, Pearled Barley, Oatmeal, White Rice, Herring Meal, Whole Dried Egg, Millet, Dried Tomato Pomace, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Oat Hulls, Cheese, Flaxseed, Menhaden Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Carrots, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Apples, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Monosodium Phosphate, Calcium Sulfate, Cranberries, Blueberries, Salt, Monocalcium Phosphate, Chicory Root Extract, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Alfalfa Sprouts, Yucca Schidigera, Folic Acid, Whole Clove Garlic, Parsley, Chondroitin Sulfate, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Longum, Lactobacillus Salivarius, Enterococcous Faecium, Vitamin A, D3, E, B12 Supplements, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfate (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Sorbic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite.

Pros:no chicken, Lotsa fish all split up (need preservative for menhaden though)
Cons:Fake bacterial content (gimmick), quite grainy, potatoes are #1, Tomato pomace, egg again...


Pet curean's Foundations All life stages Lamb and vegetable 30-35% meat inclusion (they don't let you copy the ingredients )
Pros:no chicken, menadione removed...
Cons:doesn't look grainy, but the protein is still low , egg again...
http://www.petcurean.com/product_table.html

Petcurean Summit "Lamb Meals & Rice"

Originally Posted by Summit Lamb Meals & Rice

Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols {Vit. E}, citric acid {Vit. C} and rosemary extract), Yeast Culture, Rice Bran, Flax, Natural Flavors, Kelp Meal, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Inulin, Lysine, Garlic, Dried Whole Egg, Yucca Schidigera, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroit in Sulphate (shark cart ilage), Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C), Vitamin A Acetate, Cholecalciferol (vitamin D), DL Alpha-Tocopherol Acetate (vitamin E), Ferrous Sulfate, *Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Sulfate, *Copper Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, *Manganese Proteinate,
Riboflavin, Calcium Iodate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (vitamin B6), Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Carbonate, Menadione Sodium Bisulphite Complex (vitamin K), Vitamin B12.

Pros:no chicken, menadione removed...
Cons: rice is #1, the protein is low, egg again, mystery natural flavors, yeast- Jemma does NOT need more yeast anything...

[rainbow]

Wow...you're sure going to alot of trouble. Why don't you just check out meb999's sticky as most of these are there.

[Prin]

Last one for now... *wipes sweat off brow*

Timberwolf Organics Ocean Blue

Originally Posted by Timberwolf Organics Ocean Blue

Low Ash White Fish Meal, Salmon, Potatoes, Sardine/Mackerel/Anchovy/Tuna Oils, Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Potassium Chloride, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Blueberries, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Sesame Seeds, Apples, Taurine, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Copper Proteinate, Selenium Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract.

http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/ob.33.htm
Pros:no chicken, lots of fish, none of the usual grains, variety of ingredients my doggies have never had before, good protein (26%), ok fat source.
Cons: Not available here, fake bacterial content (gimmick), missing 4 ingredients before the first fat (if that study on bloat is accurate and covers all foods, not just corn foods)


TO Black Forest™ Canid Formula

Originally Posted by TO Black Forest™ Canid Formula

Venison, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Lamb, Whole Ground Millet, Lamb Meal, Venison Meal, Whole Ground Barley, Low Ash Salmon Meal, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Wild Salmon Oil, Unrefined Walnut Oil, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Amaranth, Blueberries, Glucosomine, Potassium Chloride, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Sesame Seeds, Apples, Chickory Root, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols ( A Source of Vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine ( a source of vitamin B6), Copper Proteinate, Selenium Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract.

http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/bf.33.htm
Pros:no chicken, variety of ingredients my doggies have never had before, good fat source.
Cons: Not available here, a lot of grains my dogs have had before (grains=#1 probably), lower protein, fake bacterial content (gimmick), kinda low fat (12%)

TO Dakota™ Bison Canid Formula

Originally Posted by TO Dakota™ Bison Canid Formula

Fresh Bison Meat, Salmon Meal, Millet, Sweet Potatoes, Oats, Flaxseed, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Wild Salmon Oil, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa, Potassium Chloride, Currants, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Sesame Seeds, Apples, Chicory Root, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract.

http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/db.33.htm
Pros:no chicken, like wolf King but tweaked (better), good protein (better than WK), good fat content, great fat source, (I like the order of the grains- more digestible to less digestible).
Cons: Not available here, fake bacterial content (gimmick)

Nutrient Dense Lamb, Barley and Apples Formula
http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/lba.16.htm
Has chicken fat

TO Wild & Natural Dry™ Canid Formula
http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/wn.33.htm
All chickeny

TO Wilderness Elk Dry

Originally Posted by Wilderness Elk Dry

Fresh Elk, Salmon Meal, Millet, Sweet Potatoes, Oats, Flaxseed, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Wild Salmon Oil, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa, Potassium Chloride, Currants, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Sesame Seeds, Apples, Chicory Root, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract

http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/wk.33.htm
Pros:no chicken, like wolf King but elk instead of bison, good protein (better than WK), good fat content and great fat source, GREAT grains
Cons: Not available here, fake bacterial content (gimmick)

[Prin]

Originally Posted by rainbow

Wow...you're sure going to alot of trouble. Why don't you just check out meb999's sticky as most of these are there.

I know, but it's easier to see all the chicken frees in one thread. This way, I can make a list of best to worst (IMO) to go out hunting with... It's for me.

Wolf King is really the last readily available food that I can give both Jemma and Boo, so it's going to be hard to find another one to switch to. I have to be prepared.

[Prin]

So, so far it's TO Elk, TO Bison, TO Ocean Blue, California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato Adult and Innova Evo Red Meat, in that order (IMO). I think that's the reverse of the availability.

Oh, I was so hoping not to have to do this whole schpiel again. It's much more fun doing it for other people's dogs.

(btw, this is what I do for other people here on the board (usually in ONE shortish post ), but as you can kinda tell, picking a food for a poultry intolerant doggy is longer and more tedious than just a regular grain allergy... But I love him, so he deserves the best. And no tomato pomace. I just figured I'd share my hard work...)

[rainbow]

Why don't you email Mark and ask who the distributor for TO is in Montreal and then get hold of the distributor and find out who buys from him.

[Prin]

The distributer is Lucid, the same as for Solid Gold. I asked them in the spring when they were bringing TO here and they said they might one day when they felt there was a demand for it.

[rainbow]

So, it's Lucid that won't bring it in? If so, that's absurd. If they deliver Solid Gold to the pet store you deal with and the pet store orders TO for you Lucid should oblige.

[Prin]

yeah, but Lucid is divided in two parts (ontario-->east and west --> Manitoba) and our side ONLY has solid gold. But for sure now that the heat is on, somebody has to get something for Boo, or you'll see a thread from me asking Techno how to feed raw.

[rainbow]

It shouldn't matter how many parts Lucid is divided into. When I was looking into getting Canidae here I found out from Canidae who the distributor was.

There is only one pet store here (the one where I can't tolerate the owners) that deals with them and the only food they stock is Eagle Pack. I phoned the distributor and he said he had no problem with throwing a couple of bags of Canidae onto the truck with the Eagle Pack order.

I came close to doing it and even went in to their store to see the jerk but he was out for lunch and the girl didn't know anything about dog food orders. I then decided not to deal with him anyway so I switched to Innova instead.

So, if you get hold of the Lucid part that delivers to your store and ask them if they would do the same maybe then you can get Timberwolf.

[Prin]

See this is Lucid in the west: http://www.optimaldog.com/
See how many foods they have?

And this is Lucid in the east: http://www.jollypet.com/

The difference is obscene...

But for sure, I'll be in contact with everybody this week and next to try to figure out a back up plan if WK really does go cheap on me.

[rainbow]

Wow...that's unbelievable. Jolly Pet must have shares in Solid Gold. Okay, then I would email Mark at Timberwolf and tell him and see what he has to say. What have you got to lose?

[Prin]

Done! lol... as you were posting. I really don't want to have to buy 16 bags or 7.5 bags or whatever huge number it is. (especially since I don't know if my dogs will be ok on it or not)

In the meantime, I found two smaller distributers (not sure what they distribute exactly) in the east, so I'll call them tomorrow and see what they do...

[rainbow]

Originally Posted by Prin

I really don't want to have to buy 16 bags or 7.5 bags or whatever huge number it is. (especially since I don't know if my dogs will be ok on it or not)

Get together with the others here that want to try it.

Originally Posted by Prin

In the meantime, I found two smaller distributers (not sure what they distribute exactly) in the east, so I'll call them tomorrow and see what they do...

Good luck.

[mafiaprincess]

Prin and I were discussing last night, either 'someone' becoming a distributor sort of. But then there's extra added cost when they have to ship like 13 or so bags out..

I found the multiple shipping program which isn't so bad, but that's still a lot of pounds of dog food if you find your dogs don't like it or don't do well on it etc..

Which brings it back to the niceness of being able to go to the store and just get your bag because it is there.. Pet Valu could order me in solid gold when I wanted it. But then they needed notice.. Was easier to drive a little further to global foods and it was on the shelf along with other great stuff so we could play around a little..

But I am ticked since Cider looks great, and we've been on WK 6 or so months now no issues. But I don't want to support their food when the formula changes. And am pissed to find barking at the moon is already changed.. I won't be getting another bag of it.

[SuperWanda]

Sorry - I'm the one that started all this chaos!

I would be very interested in trying the Timberwolf Organics as well! I am in Winnipeg so I'll see if anyone could bring it in here!

It is especially hard to find a chicken free food - I think the elk, bison and fish TO look good.

I noticed that you can order it on the website but it looks like you can't choose Canada. Yet it does say State/Province and Zip/Postal code - does anyone know if they will be shipping to Canadian customers?

[technodoll]

i love these posts learning alot about foods, distributors, and people! i really hope somebody can somehow figure out how to bring T.O. out east, I'm sure there is a big market for it. Just wish the stupid grocery stores and walmart sold it Always gotta be on our toes, as consumers. yeah. hey if TO comes to town, i'll for sure buy a bag for the beanies (any kind, since they don't have allergies). they would love the snacks, I'm sure. in the meantime, gotta finish up all the kibbles in the house... it's a sloooow process since they eat very little of it these days. picky, picky.

prin what about dehydrated food??

[Prin]

Techno, I just don't think I can afford the dehydrated stuff right now. (I'm still unemployed )

Part of my email to TO asks if we can't get it through a proper distributer, how do they suggest Canadians get it without breaking the bank? I also slipped the WK story in there saying that with the formula cheapened, it's likely demand for other poultry-less foods will rise and they're among the very few who have completely poultry-less foods.

[technodoll]

the petfood companies sure aren't making it easy for the average-income families to feed high-quality foods to their pets soooo expensive for premade raw, dehydrated, canned, etc. and GETTING the good dry stuff in some places is unaffordable when you factor in shipping costs, taxes...

we need the same "right to products" as those out west do! :king: prin who knows, maybe you've started a stampede!

[phoenix]

I just want to say thankyou to Prin (and everyone else helping) for taking the time to post your search process here. I really appreciate it because you're so clear about your thinking process and it will help a lot of people, I think. I also am enjoying learning about all of these other foods. I am so glad that my dogs have no allergies! (I never trusted SG... grr) I hope you have success, I'll keep my eyes open around here.

[rainbow]

Originally Posted by SuperWanda

Sorry - I'm the one that started all this chaos!

Don't be sorry. I'm sure everyone is glad that you brought this to our attention.

Originally Posted by SuperWanda

I would be very interested in trying the Timberwolf Organics as well! I am in Winnipeg so I'll see if anyone could bring it in here!

You should be able to get it in Winnipeg according to Prin's research:

Originally Posted by Prin

yeah, but Lucid is divided in two parts (ontario-->east and west --> Manitoba) and our side ONLY has solid gold.

Originally Posted by Prin

See this is Lucid in the west: http://www.optimaldog.com/
See how many foods they have?

And this is Lucid in the east: http://www.jollypet.com/

The difference is obscene...

[rainbow]

Originally Posted by phoenix

I just want to say thankyou to Prin (and everyone else helping) for taking the time to post your search process here. I really appreciate it because you're so clear about your thinking process and it will help a lot of people, I think. I also am enjoying learning about all of these other foods. I am so glad that my dogs have no allergies! (I never trusted SG... grr) I hope you have success, I'll keep my eyes open around here.

I agree. Prin is so thorough in her research that you can't help but learn and if there's something you don't understand, she always takes the time to explain it to you.

It's too bad she has to go through this though. Both Boo and Jemma were doing so well on Solid Gold with their multiple allergies and now Solid Gold had to go and cheapen their dog food.

Good luck, Prin.

[SuperWanda]

Thanks - I did check - no stores carry it but the distributor will put it on the truck - only thing is I have to drive across the city to pick it up there - but I could handle that.

The only thing I question is the 3% fiber. More protein is great and their site talks about small, firm stool. Does anyone know if decreasing grain based fiber has a bad effect on the emptying of the anal glands - my dog has always had anal gland problems and although the solid gold is grainy - it really has helped her in that way - I think it bulks up the stool more being that it is insoluble type.

I would like more protein though at the same time.

Also wondering what fake bacteria is??? Is that bacteria trying to be something it's not??? Must be bad bacteria doing that, not the good kind!

[technodoll]

Does anyone know if decreasing grain based fiber has a bad effect on the emptying of the anal glands

the harder the stool, the better job it does at empyting the anal glands on its way "out the door" (boy there is nothing sacred here, is there! LOL)

[meb999]

Are they also changing their Just a Wee Bit formula? If not, it's basically the same ingredients as the WK....

I say Prin should become the TO distributor for Quebec. Are still looking for a job? Who's more knowledgeable about kibble? I'd buy TO from you....


Just a Wee Bit Adult (bison)
Bison | Salmon Meal | Millet | Brown Rice | Cracked Pearled Barley | Rice Bran | Canola Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Garlic | Amaranth | Blueberries | Yucca Schidigera Extract | Dried Chicory Root | Taurine | Carotene | Choline Chloride | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate | Zinc Proteinate | Copper Proteinate | Manganese Proteinate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Panthothenate | Selenomethionine | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid |

WolfKing Adult Dog (bison)
Bison | Salmon Meal | Brown Rice | Millet | Cracked Pearled Barley | Oatmeal | Rice Bran | Canola Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Garlic | Amaranth | Blueberries | Yucca Schidigera Extract | Carotene | Choline Chloride | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate | Zinc Proteinate | Copper Proteinate | Manganese Proteinate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Panthothenate | Selenomethionine | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid |

[meb999]

Originally Posted by technodoll

the harder the stool, the better job it does at empyting the anal glands on its way "out the door" (boy there is nothing sacred here, is there! LOL)

Seriously....where else can you openly (and frequently) talk about your dog's poo?