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Old May 31st, 2007, 11:12 AM
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9 week year old beagle - separation anxiety!

Hi all,
My boyfriend and I have recently added the addition of a 9 week old Beagle to our family. Although he is fairly new we have already had complaints from our neighbours about his constant whining and crying out when he is alone. We live in a apartment building and it has become clear our neighbours are not very tolerable. I have fallen head over heels in love with our new puppy Cruz and although I am aware it will take patience and time for him to adjust I was just curious if anyone had any suggestions on how to train him so that the noises are kept to a minimal in the future? I do not want to have to be forced to give him up. We have both owned dogs before however this breed is a first for us both. Any ideas on how long the cries usually last for? I know Beagles are prone to seperation anxiety, however we can't even shower without hearing him cry out for someone.

If anyone has any advice to offer or suggestions please let me know, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much,
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Old May 31st, 2007, 11:46 AM
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Start with leaving him alone for very short periods at a time. Then work up to longer amounts of time. This should help.

Also, don't make a big deal out of leaving him, as that may add to his anxiety.

So you can start out even with just a couple of minutes at a time in another room. When he is comfortable with that, you can increase the time gradually.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 11:51 AM
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First off, you'll probably want to invest in a bunch of chew toys like Kongs, which can be filled with treats and kibble and will hopefully keep your little guy distracted for a bit. I also highly recommend reading this article by Dr. Ian Dunbar: http://www.dogstardaily.com/article/home-alone As well as downloading his book "Before You Get Your Puppy" (it's free). Has lots of tips on everything from housetraining to separation anxiety.

Good luck, I hope you find a solution!

Oops, forgot the link to the puppy book: http://www.jamesandkenneth.com/new_puppy.html
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Old May 31st, 2007, 01:17 PM
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Great links

Thanks for the great links, I'm looking over them now and they are full of helpful information.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 01:45 PM
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Congratulations on the new puppy. You may want to go to the neighbours with a peace offering like a nice bottle of wine and introduce them to the puppy. Ask them to please bear with you while you work on the crying issue and let them know that you understand why they are complaining. A little more time will help immensely. But you really do want them onside with you, not against you! Now on to the puppy - the stuffed kong is always a great suggestion, you can fill it with peanutbutter and bits of cookie pieces or something tasty like hotdogs and freeze it. If it's frozen it will take much longer for puppy to clean it out. Do you crate the puppy when you're out. Sometimes that helps a lot - drape a towel over the crate to keep it a little bit darker (leave the door uncovered though). Put a shirt or something of yours that smells like you in with him, it will comfort him some (make sure it's something old that you won't mind if he chews it up because he might.) If it's old sleep with it in your bed overnight to make sure it smells good... A few well planned and invested toys will help to distract him while you are out. ALso lease the TV or radio on for him while you are out - he won't feel so alone that way. But remember he's just a puppy he has to learn that you will come back and it's hard to be alone for him. With patience and effort he can get over it though. Good luck.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 02:20 PM
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I totally agree with what was said about the kongs,t.v or even music.This is what I did when my dogs were pups.

Was Cruz the only pup?If not he could be missing his sibblings.And he is in a new surrounding.So this may not be seperation anxiety..He's just a bit scared maybe.

How long is he alone for during the day?

What you can also teach him is "quiet" or "enough"....When he starts his whining and crying,just say to him,Cruz quiet(it may take him a while to understand this command)..When he stops,praise him.

Oh and we would love to see pics......
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Old May 31st, 2007, 02:34 PM
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Another strategy to try would be to put the puppy in a "crate". Sometimes it's very scary for a puppy to be all alone in a big room/house. In a smaller area, like a crate, they feel safer. It's like their cave or den. As was mentioned earlier, he shouldn't be left for long periods of time because he's just a baby. He needs to be with his "family" and taken out to potty, etc. At this age he also needs to be fed about 3 times a day. Good luck
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Old May 31st, 2007, 03:51 PM
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And if all else fails another beagle will do the trick! How do you think I ended up with my first 2.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 05:54 PM
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Its something all Beagle owners deal with at one point I think lol. I've learned Beagles have a thing about being left alone... they just love their families too much! Dog Dancer gave a lot of good ideas. And some training can really help. But like we3beagles, I just make sure my Beagle always at least has his brother with him, and he doesnt complain lol.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 07:04 PM
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Congratulations on the new puppy. You may want to go to the neighbours with a peace offering like a nice bottle of wine and introduce them to the puppy. Ask them to please bear with you while you work on the crying issue and let them know that you understand why they are complaining. A little more time will help immensely. But you really do want them onside with you, not against you! Now on to the puppy - the stuffed kong is always a great suggestion, you can fill it with peanutbutter and bits of cookie pieces or something tasty like hotdogs and freeze it. If it's frozen it will take much longer for puppy to clean it out. Do you crate the puppy when you're out. Sometimes that helps a lot - drape a towel over the crate to keep it a little bit darker (leave the door uncovered though). Put a shirt or something of yours that smells like you in with him, it will comfort him some (make sure it's something old that you won't mind if he chews it up because he might.) If it's old sleep with it in your bed overnight to make sure it smells good... A few well planned and invested toys will help to distract him while you are out. ALso lease the TV or radio on for him while you are out - he won't feel so alone that way. But remember he's just a puppy he has to learn that you will come back and it's hard to be alone for him. With patience and effort he can get over it though. Good luck.
Great advice . Good luck with the new puppy and make sure you post some pictures .
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Old June 1st, 2007, 01:25 PM
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Just wondering now if you know how to crate train your puppy if you go that route? You mustn't just shove him in and lock the door. Make the crate a happy place to be. Feed him in there, give him treats in there, put the crate near your bed at night. A few minutes in the crate while you're watching TV and don't let him out unless he's being quiet. If he's crying and you let him out he will learn that you cry to get out and he'll not be able to use the crate effectively. You need to be patient with this as well, try crating him a few minutes at a time when you're home and then at night pop him into the crate and leave him in there. Make sure you put him out to potty every time you take him out of the crate. He will need to go. NEVER use the crate to punish the dog.

There are lots of threads on this board with more detail about crate training and separation issues. At this point he's just a baby and it's normal stuff.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 04:35 PM
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I found a radio, on a talk/news station to be the best for background noise. Also, if you have a PC, see if you can put it or a web cam in the same room as the pup. You can get motion/sound activation software for your webcam and you'll know exactly how long and often the pup howls.

If its true SA, it won't go away, but you will be able to manage it, maybe even make it better. My dog has it and only has a freak out, his are vocal as well, if I deviate from 'routine' (i.e. if I go anywhere but work without him )
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Old June 1st, 2007, 04:37 PM
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Another thought, my pup was calmer if he as confined to a small space. At 8 months he was fully housebroken, but intimidated by all the 'free space' in the house as whole, so we just expanded his 'space' one room at a time over a course of months.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 07:31 PM
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My beagle (at the Bridge now- lived a long great life tho!) whimpered alot at first - and I thought OMG, the neighbours are going to think I am killing him - because he would do this even as we were training him to stay in one part of the house while we were in another.(This was to start with short periods of separation and move up gradually). It takes a lot if patience, time and those books have some good ideas- as are the ones already suggested. I doubt too that this is separation anxiety - I think it is partly a beagle thing and in part the fact he is just a baby and misses his sibs and mom! We kept the radio on when we were away and he had lots of toys. Beagles have a reputation as hard to train - tho ours did not I found- but they are wonderful dogs,. You just have to give this baby a little time - and make peace with the neighbours while that takes place.

We also enrolled him in obedience classes.

Good luck - you will have to send us some pix.
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Old June 2nd, 2007, 08:51 AM
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Our dog Stella had terrible separation anxiety. She chewed up the pad in her crate, the towels we replaced it with (Salvation Army was a good source) and then started chewing herself -- her legs. We had a behaviorist, obedience and agility classes and doggie prozac. None of it helped much. After about six months we got another dog. It more expensive to have two dogs (not if you count the meds and psychologist), but is no more work, and Brando is a delight. We always crated, leave them both in the same crate with toys and a snack, leave NPR on when we leave and when we come home just open the crate door and the back door. Now if we could get her not to be so aggressive in her herding . . . More exercise helps too.
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Old June 4th, 2007, 03:36 PM
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Okay, just a note on Brando's Dad here. I have a ten year old dog with SA. Severe SA. She also is claustrophobic and we cannot crate her. She has had this for over eight years. It's not the same thing at all as a puppy learning to be left alone. We left ours alone for the first year and a half of her life. At 5 after my husband passed away I got a second dog also to help with the SA and it didn't help at all. I ended up with twice the expense and one dog in day care full time and one dog left home alone (who also annoyed the heck out of the neighbours while she learned to be left home alone). A second dog may help, but does not always. Do not rush out and get a second dog assuming it will cure all your troubles. Yes your puppy may love the company or you may have two noisy misbehaving dogs. Be very careful with that.
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Old June 4th, 2007, 05:46 PM
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Okay, just a note on Brando's Dad here. I have a ten year old dog with SA. Severe SA. She also is claustrophobic and we cannot crate her. She has had this for over eight years. It's not the same thing at all as a puppy learning to be left alone. We left ours alone for the first year and a half of her life. At 5 after my husband passed away I got a second dog also to help with the SA and it didn't help at all. I ended up with twice the expense and one dog in day care full time and one dog left home alone (who also annoyed the heck out of the neighbours while she learned to be left home alone). A second dog may help, but does not always. Do not rush out and get a second dog assuming it will cure all your troubles. Yes your puppy may love the company or you may have two noisy misbehaving dogs. Be very careful with that.
That really depends on the type of dog you have. Beagles are VERY pack oriented and I've never met one that liked to be left alone. Beagles will bay or howl to call their pack to them if they found something of interest or to find the rest of their lost pack. Lonely beagles will bay for hours without cease and the easiest cure is doggie daycare or another dog.
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Old June 6th, 2007, 11:38 AM
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Buddy is only half beagle, but we put him in a crate since the first night. We waited until he fell asleep in our arms and put him in the divided crate, sleeping on a warm water bottle wrapped in my husbands t-shirt. I had a clock outside the cage ticking (just like in the old days). He work up in the middle of the night, I got up gave him some cuddling and played for 1/2 an hour, put him back in the crate and he slept until next morning. Second night, I put the bottle in the cage in the t-shirt and put a treat in the cage, he walked in went to sleep. He woke up in the middle of the night, I played with him and put him back to sleep. Third night, regular bed, with t-shirt and a treat. By the fourth night, just told him to go night night and he walked in by himself. You really can't leave him alone for too long at first.

Buddy still likes company, if someone is home, he is with them, but I think the trick is to have them sleep on their own from the start, just like putting the baby in the crib, it hurts to hear them cry, but pick them up cuddle them so they know their not alone, but then put them down as they won't learn if you don't. Good luck with this caging though. Wait till he starts the hounddog howl. I love that sound. Thank God Buddy doesn't do it often!
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