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Old August 22nd, 2013, 12:11 AM
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This has been the most helpful thread since researching this horrible cancer, I have cried reading your stories and I'm sorry to say I'm going through it right now.

Oeskes my baby is 10 years and 9 months. Noticed bleeding from the nose (left nostril) 1st August, just trickles. Went straight to the vet and referred to a specialist for CT, confirmed Rhinocarcinoma.

She is on Metacam and I have put her on Sinu-Rite and just about to start Yannen, she is arthritic so the Metacam helps with that as well and seems happy in herself for the moment.

My question is how long? It has travelled to the Lymph Nodes in her neck. She is very snotty at the moment and unfortunately I am going away this weekend taking my daughter and her friend on a trip to Wales. But I feel sick leaving her in the hands of my friend who will have strict instructions.

This will be my first trip away with my daughter for two years due to financial constraints and I don't want to let her down. But I fear for my Ossie.

After reading all your experiences I think I trust you all enough to know you will tell me what's best to do!
I am so very sorry to hear this news. Have you looked at some of the supplement protocols that the other dogs have been on. Perhaps the most potent one might be the antibiotic doxycycline.

Wishing the best for you and Ossie
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:52 PM
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Osk has started bleeding a little more, no disfiguration and no problems in her mouth or ears.

Concern now is her sister who seems depressed and spending time upstairs next to our bed during the day and night which is unusual as they only do that when my husband is not home. Philly is eating and everything is functioning ok can only put it down to her picking up Osk's cancer. It's all getting a bit much!
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Old September 5th, 2013, 08:09 PM
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Thanks for thinking of us Hazel and MaxaLisa! Yes, I hope Katie is doing okay still. Perhaps she just got busy and will check in at some point.

Haleyb, I am so sorry about your diagnosis. I hope that your Oeskes is doing well and that you were able to enjoy your time away.

I am not sure how long Oeskes may have. Your vet may be able to give you some kind of time frame but like Hazel said, I'm sure every case is different. My vet said as little as 5 months but she did not give me an "as long as" guess. I think it all depends on the type of nasal cancer and the aggressiveness of the tumor etc. Timber does not seem to be getting worse and does not have any nose bleeds so we might be dealing with a slow growing tumor at this point. All I can do now is to try keeping her as healthy as possible and her immune system strong by giving a good quality diet and trying different anti-tumor supplements listed in this thread.

What kind of dogs are Oeskes and Philly by the way?
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Old September 7th, 2013, 05:30 AM
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They are German Shepherds. Osk is doing fine for now, Lymph Nodes haven't grown and the combination of drugs and remedies seems to be helping her. She gets a bit snotty at times which is red coloured but not free running blood, I think the Chinese herb is helping in that respect.

She still runs heartily for the ball nagging her niece Joy when she gets beaten to it by grabbing her neck or leg. I have been cheating by trying to throw the ball to Osk though!

Sorry about Timber, it's all rather sad
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Old September 16th, 2013, 09:03 PM
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I am glad your Osk is still doing well! It sounds like he is still enjoying life and has some energy so that is a very good sign.

Yes, it is sad to think of them having cancer and possibly having their life shortened because of it but we just try to enjoy every moment with them. I wish they could live longer but I suppose it is not the quantity but the quality of life that matters.

The one supplement I always seem to go back to is lactoferrin. It seems to really help when Timber sounds stuffy. I take a break from it after I have finished a bottle of 60 caps because it is expensive but I think it really helps the mucous membranes. It is found in the lining of our digestive system and helps to fight infection. I think it works just as well as the doxycycline antibiotic.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 08:36 PM
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SW, very interesting about the lactoferrin. I want to look into that one a little more!

I've recently been experimenting with microlactin as an anti-inflammatory after my girl has had a very good response to Answers raw goat milk. I've been feeling pretty good on the microlactin, and am now trying it on her.

I think that transfer factor and colostrum is too stimilating, at least from previous experience with me and my previous dogs. Do you know how the lactoferrin differs?
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 09:05 AM
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Update on Oeskes. She has improved health wise and I put it down to the supplements, she doesn't have any more nosebleeds which is definitely the Yannen. She 's full of life and still loves playing ball. I really thought she only had weeks but am more optimistic now for a bit longer.

How is Timber?

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Old October 3rd, 2013, 11:36 AM
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Hayleyb, so glad that Oeskes is doing better! That is great news that you were able to get the nose bleeds under control! Timber is doing very well. Her 13th birthday is coming up on the 10th. She is very happy because the weather is cooling down (although I am having a hard time adjusting to that and less sunlight) but being a husky, she can't wait for the snow to fall. I'm just glad she is around to experience another winter!

MaxaLisa, lactoferrin is a transport protein. I believe it is one component of colostrum. It is found in mucous membranes so that is why I wondered if it would be good with the nasal cancer. I think people general use it to prevent colds? It is an antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral. It general boosts the immune system and binds to iron which is why it is also an anti-tumor. I haven't been able to find any studies done where it has been used specifically in nasal cancer but thought I read something about colon cancer or maybe it was that it reduced polyps.

I give Timber 250mg once a day. Usually go through a bottle of 60 and then take a break. Haven't noticed any side effects. It really seems to help her stuffy nose so that's why I think it might prevent infection from building up around the tumor. It seems to be as effective as the doxy from what I have observed. This is the brand I am using:
http://www.aor.ca/products-page/lactoferrin-250/

I will have to look up microlactin. Do you use that as an immune booster?
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 12:49 PM
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Sorry MaxaLisa, you already said as an anti-inflammatory, so you are using it for joint problems?

Timber loves goat's milk! In fact, that was one of the only things she would consume when she was so sick with the tick disease. Not so fond of it myself.

Also thought I would mention there was a comment on Katie's facebook page dated Sept 14. Looks like she was still doing well at that time and no symptoms of the cancer in 8 months.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:38 PM
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I just saw on FB that Katie celebrated her 11th birthday. So happy to see your dogs doing so well!!

I bought some lactoferrin to try, I'll try it first since I have a chronic stuffy nose, and see what it does I talked to Jazz's internal medicine vet, and he says that he hasn't seen a problem with it. I just don't want to increase any inflammation in her body, since I still don't know what's really wrong with her.

It's absolutely amazing how much the goat's milk is helping her. If I give it away from food, before bedtime, her stomach is nice and pliable and relaxed, and she feels so much better. Works even better if I give probiotics with it. I remember now it being used for Timber! I'm just fortunate that I stumbled across it here in town.

I've held off on the microlactin, and instead giving her something to supplement her choline supplies. I think that she is having a systemic problem with her nervous system, still trying to figure her out.

Hayley, what supplements are you giving?

SW, has Timber's tumor been palpated recently? I know some time ago you said that the vet thought it felt smaller. Wondering how the size is? I knew a dog with a tumor in his jaw, and it would vary in size, but stayed relatively the same size while he was on his supplements. It stayed that way for the rest of his life.....
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Old October 15th, 2013, 04:36 PM
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No, I haven't had the vet back to feel Timber's tumor. I was wondering if I could reach back myself to monitor it's size but haven't tried yet. I did try to look with a flash light but couldn't see anything.

That's great that the goat milk has helped Jazz. I hope the lactoferrin helps as well. Let me know if you notice any results using it.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 01:42 AM
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I have been trying the microlactin, and it does seem to help with aches and pains, but I worry about what it might do in a dog with infection. Always more questions than I have answers for
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Old December 12th, 2013, 02:19 PM
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Sorry I haven't been on here forever! But Katie's still doing great! No signs of the cancer. we've backed off on some of the supplements, and haven't noticed any changes. And yes, Katie turned 11 in October, it's been just over a year since we noticed a few very minor nose bleeds and January will be 1 year since she was diagnosed with nasal cancer. Still don't know (and probably never will) if they mis diagnosed, if she's in remission or what- just enjoying the time we have with her!!

Our older dog Connor will be 14 in Jan. and he's definitely showing some signs of aging now. He likes to eat, but we can't keep weight on him for anything and his hips are getting weaker, but he still seems to have fun and doesn't seem to be in much pain, so same with him, we're just enjoying the time we have!
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Old December 18th, 2013, 01:28 AM
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Sorry I haven't been on here forever! But Katie's still doing great! No signs of the cancer. we've backed off on some of the supplements, and haven't noticed any changes. And yes, Katie turned 11 in October, it's been just over a year since we noticed a few very minor nose bleeds and January will be 1 year since she was diagnosed with nasal cancer. Still don't know (and probably never will) if they mis diagnosed, if she's in remission or what- just enjoying the time we have with her!!

Our older dog Connor will be 14 in Jan. and he's definitely showing some signs of aging now. He likes to eat, but we can't keep weight on him for anything and his hips are getting weaker, but he still seems to have fun and doesn't seem to be in much pain, so same with him, we're just enjoying the time we have!

Glad to hear from you and that she is doing well
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Old January 8th, 2014, 09:53 AM
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Glad you checked in Connor and Katie. Glad Katie is doing well! I hope we also hear an update from Hayleyb about Oeskes.

Timber is still fine. We just had the vet check her tumor and it is still the same size. Makes me wonder if they were right about the biopsy. I have experienced that they can be wrong because when she was about 6 we had a growth on her leg tested and they said it was an aggressive cancer which we had removed but the lump turned out to be a benign fibroma.

I am hoping they are wrong but if they are right, I am thankful it may be a slow growing tumor.

Our older dog just turned 15 in November and she is experiencing much hind end weakness like your Connor. Am thinking of starting a thread about it to see if I can get some suggestions to help her. Otherwise she seems like she is healthy overall. It is hard watching her body deteriorate.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 06:27 PM
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Timber is still fine. We just had the vet check her tumor and it is still the same size. Makes me wonder if they were right about the biopsy. I have experienced that they can be wrong because when she was about 6 we had a growth on her leg tested and they said it was an aggressive cancer which we had removed but the lump turned out to be a benign fibroma.
Whatever the reason, this is great news. I think the things you initially did, even if right now you aren't keeping them up, must have helped.

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Our older dog just turned 15 in November and she is experiencing much hind end weakness like your Connor. Am thinking of starting a thread about it to see if I can get some suggestions to help her. Otherwise she seems like she is healthy overall. It is hard watching her body deteriorate.
I hate that aging part
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