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Old January 7th, 2009, 09:16 AM
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I have to agree with sugarcatmom, you need to get this cat to eat even if it means an appetite stimulant. I question the advice you have gotten from this vet and was wondering what makes him the "go to guy" for teeth extraction.
he is the only oral surgeon in my state but i am not going back to him
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Old January 7th, 2009, 09:21 AM
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where do i get pure pumpkin? i got the pie filling in the can and she hates it.
for now i will give the food the icu internist tells me to give her but what is a good quality food? i always thought royal canin was excellent but i am reading here it is not. can you give me some ideas. i will run them by the icu internist on saturday.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 09:34 AM
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for now i will give the food the icu internist tells me to give her but what is a good quality food? i always thought royal canin was excellent but i am reading here it is not. can you give me some ideas. i will run them by the icu internist on saturday.
RC is not good food at all

Check the ingredients on the can. Human grade quality of meat should be used and remember cats are carnivores, so the majority of the ingredients should be meat.

Royal Canin, check and compare the ingredients to the better foods below:

http://www.royalcanin.ca/products/feline_en.php

http://www.catinfo.org/

My favourite foods are: They all use human grade meat/ingredients, NO byproducts.

Nature's Variety Instinct:

http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can

Wellness, grain free and Core varieties:

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_w...f_chicken.html

Organics, By Nature:

http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/prod...nedcat.php#ttl
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meow,I am really,really sorry for you and your kitty,it's obvious you love her very much.:sad:
Don't feel bad about letting her go through the surgery,you are not to blame,if it was needed that's what you had to do.
It is very traumatic for a cat,especially combined with what she had to go through after,with lots of love and care and no more hospital-stays,hopefully she'll forget about it.

Now,you have to use all your energy to get her well,try not to be too anxious around her,cats tend to feel that and get more stressed,I know,it's easy to say,but..
I am glad you have found someone who will really help getting your kitty get healthy again,hopefully her mouth will heal quickly with no more pain
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Old January 7th, 2009, 12:23 PM
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If I could give you the biggest hug right now, I would. It’s tough, but hang in there, your baby is in good hands now. A feeding tube is the best thing for her at this point, and will help speed her recovery. I’ve had to resort to a feeding tube on 3 separate occasions for my kitties, so if you have any questions, let me know. Is it an E-tube (in through the side of the neck), or a PEG tube (goes directly into the stomach)?

Here’s more info on feeding tubes: http://www.catinfo.org/feedingtubes.htm
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Old January 7th, 2009, 01:17 PM
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pure pumpkin is usually carried in a good supermarket sometimes in the baking section

sounds like the icu was pretty good to ya
not to slam vet secialists but they usually dont relly know care other then then basic post op stuff

i know the feeling my Kit Du was terrifeid of the vet and got called a monster when alll she was was scared .
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Old January 7th, 2009, 01:27 PM
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I missed your updated post about your kitty being in icu.

You have done the best for her, she is now getting nutrition and should be on the mend. Don't feel guilty about having the surgery done, you have done nothing wrong. It is natural for us to put our trust in those who have been educated and license to provide a service to know what is best.
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So sorry your kitty is going through so much! But everyone is right. Please don't blame yourself.
Pure pumpkin should be on the same shelf as the pie filling. I see you are in CT. Don't know if your stores carry E.D.Smith or not but if so they have pure pumpkin. They should be almost side by side. And you are right, kitty may not like it. You can mix it in with her food though and she won't know it's there.
L4H gave you a list of quality foods you can feed her. Sugarcatmom gave you some wonderful sites to check out. That should give you tons of reading to do for the next little while. On top of that you will be shocked by the info given. Very interesting.
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Old January 8th, 2009, 05:57 PM
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If I could give you the biggest hug right now, I would. It’s tough, but hang in there, your baby is in good hands now. A feeding tube is the best thing for her at this point, and will help speed her recovery. I’ve had to resort to a feeding tube on 3 separate occasions for my kitties, so if you have any questions, let me know. Is it an E-tube (in through the side of the neck), or a PEG tube (goes directly into the stomach)?

Here’s more info on feeding tubes: http://www.catinfo.org/feedingtubes.htm
E tube. she isn't eating any cat food or water with her mouth at all now. will she? did your kitties come around? thanks you.

i am also going to a new vet on friday who if i like him will be my regular vet. he said he will work with the hospital vet together to get her well.
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Old January 8th, 2009, 05:59 PM
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I missed your updated post about your kitty being in icu.

You have done the best for her, she is now getting nutrition and should be on the mend. Don't feel guilty about having the surgery done, you have done nothing wrong. It is natural for us to put our trust in those who have been educated and license to provide a service to know what is best.
thank you. sometimes i feel soooo guilty i cry. my stress is bad and i have anxiety. i try to talk very positive to kitty and not show her my feelings so she can get better
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Old January 8th, 2009, 06:00 PM
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So sorry your kitty is going through so much! But everyone is right. Please don't blame yourself.
Pure pumpkin should be on the same shelf as the pie filling. I see you are in CT. Don't know if your stores carry E.D.Smith or not but if so they have pure pumpkin. They should be almost side by side. And you are right, kitty may not like it. You can mix it in with her food though and she won't know it's there.
L4H gave you a list of quality foods you can feed her. Sugarcatmom gave you some wonderful sites to check out. That should give you tons of reading to do for the next little while. On top of that you will be shocked by the info given. Very interesting.
Sending lots of for kitty.
thank you. i wonder if i bought pure pumpkin. it was in a can. she didn't like it.
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Old January 8th, 2009, 06:02 PM
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RC is not good food at all

Check the ingredients on the can. Human grade quality of meat should be used and remember cats are carnivores, so the majority of the ingredients should be meat.

Royal Canin, check and compare the ingredients to the better foods below:

http://www.royalcanin.ca/products/feline_en.php

http://www.catinfo.org/

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http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can

Wellness, grain free and Core varieties:

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_w...f_chicken.html

Organics, By Nature:

http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/prod...nedcat.php#ttl
thank you for all this information. i will read it on the weekend. no time now but i will rtead it. thank you. funny kitty only liked royal canin and that is why i gave it to her. maybe she likes junk food. LOL
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If I could give you the biggest hug right now, I would. It’s tough, but hang in there, your baby is in good hands now. A feeding tube is the best thing for her at this point, and will help speed her recovery. I’ve had to resort to a feeding tube on 3 separate occasions for my kitties, so if you have any questions, let me know. Is it an E-tube (in through the side of the neck), or a PEG tube (goes directly into the stomach)?

Here’s more info on feeding tubes: http://www.catinfo.org/feedingtubes.htm
thank you for this url. it gave me hope.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 07:51 PM
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Talking 1/9/09 update

MY KITTY ATE WITH HER MOUTH

I went to the pet store and bought 8 varieties of food and decided i would try each one at feeding time. California Naturals (i think that is the name) she ate! she didn't eat much, maybe a few tablespoons but she ate and i am sooooooo o happy.

We went to our new vet today. he is very nice and so is his staff! we will never ever go back to the surgeon and the new vet told me not to. the new vet encouraged me to take her back to the icu hospital internist tomorrow and he will work hand and hand with her.
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FANTASTIC!! I was a bit nervous, opening this thread, but no more. Glad you've got a new vet whom you trust and that things are looking UP.
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MY KITTY ATE WITH HER MOUTH
Wooohooooo!!!!! That's an awesome sign. My cats also recovered and did eat on their own, but it took 3 months. So you're way ahead of the game.
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I am so happy to hear that. She is coming along very quickly .
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I too was very apprehensive opening this thread,we've had so much bad news lately,but this is wonderful news,thank you
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Old January 11th, 2009, 12:18 PM
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Your vet sounds harsh, please don't listen to his advice. Cat's gums heal quickly, but you have to consider that this is a very elderly cat and had all his top teeth removed and needs some time to recouperate. Is he on pain medication? If not, I would request it. Maybe you could try some new treats soaked in water and tuna without salt, some cooked chicken. Also lots of love and gentle petting goes a long way.
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I just read this entire thread now and just wanted to give you a hug for all you've been through ....you are a really great kitty mom.

So glad that your girl is finally eating ....you must be so relieved.



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thank you. i wonder if i bought pure pumpkin. it was in a can. she didn't like it.
If you ever need to use the pure pumpkin again try baby food butternut squash instead.....cats often like that much better.
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Thanks everyone. Kitty ate 1x and stopped. she has not eaten in 6 days with her mouth. she is still on the Etube. I asked new vet and ICU vet if that hurt and they both say it shouldnt. i am trying EVERY canned food i can....different varieites and flavors. nothing. she won't drink water. she ate and drank when she came home and then stopped so the etube was put in. monday i had a scare b/c she vomitted profusely so we went back to i.d. food.
it has been 1 month since her surgery. new vet and icu vet don't think she needs pain meds anymore. i dunno. kitty let the icu vet touch her gums with no meds/sedative. kitty is starting to act like herself and look more alert. what can i do to get her to eat? she is on an appetite stimulant. nothing.
any ideas? she won't eat baby food, cat food, her dry cat food soaked in water....nothing. it scares me.


I love my kitty with all my heart. I hired a pet sitter to check on her and pet her at lunch when i am at work and to report to me b/c i was worried sick. it has helped. he is professional and nice and they all know him at my new vet.

thank you for your help so far.

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what can i do to get her to eat? she is on an appetite stimulant. nothing.
any ideas? she won't eat baby food, cat food, her dry cat food soaked in water....nothing. it scares me.
It may just take some time. She's been through a lot and her little body has to recuperate from everything. It's a very good sign that she's looking more alert. The previous times that I've had to use a feeding tube, it took 3 months before my cats would eat on their own. I know of another person who's cat had one in for 7 months. That was several years ago and the cat is doing great today. So even though it might seem hopeless, don't give up. As long as your girl is otherwise improving, that's something to go on.

How are the feedings going?

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I hired a pet sitter to check on her and pet her at lunch when i am at work and to report to me b/c i was worried sick. it has helped.
That's a fabulous idea. I used to drive home at lunch everyday but it was pretty exhausting.

Hang in there, you're doing awesome.
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A previous boss of mine had to have her cat put on an eating tube and it took months before her kitty ate, that was about 10 years ago and her cat is healthy and happy today.

for you and sending some for your kitty to start eating on her own.
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Thanks I guess it takes time. Sometimes she will eat 1/4 can and then the next day I offer her the exact thing she loved and she turns her nose up at it. I feel like we have been through hell. The surgeon who operated on her is NOT the only one (oral surgeon) in my state! He is a board certified dental/oral surgeon BUT I found out he got it through an alternate pathway so he never did a residency in dentisry My new vet encouraged me to report him to the licensing board for misrepresentation and doing too much surgery all at once and for not letting me visit her in 2 weeks. I am so angry.

Then I found out my cat has BEGINNING signs of renal disease. Guess what: no sign sign of this pre-surgery but now showing signs post-surgery. I feel like I am going to throw up. I love my kitty with all my heart. I thought I was helping her and it turned out I think I hurt her!
They are now going to put her on Hill's k.d. thru the feeding tube. the vet said to give her whatever she will eat by mouth for now. once the feeding tube is out then we have to work on transitioning her to a low protein diet. I am SO ANGRY at the surgeon of lying, misrepresenting himself and playing on my emotions. If it is allowed i will post his name on here so no one ever goes to him!

I feel horrible. I know I shouldn't blame myself b/c at the time I thought I was doing the right thing. But now I feel sooooooooo bad for my little friend.

She is doing more things that seem like her: walking with her tail sitcking up , jumping onto bed at night, sitting in sun, purring. These are good signs but she has that stupid collar on her head and hates it. i would too if I were her. sorry venting. I take it off when we watch tv on the couch and when I feed her.
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[QUOTE=sugarcatmom;732399]

How are the feedings going?

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she is very compliant. she lays in my lap and lets me do it. as soon as we are done she wants to run out of the bathroom though. I sit in the bathroom and do it so if it makes a mess it is on tile. also i take her collar off and if she bolts i don't want her going anywhere and hiding and pulling out the tube. she usually purrs when i do the tube feeding and i can tell she knows i am helping her. she is an
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Awww Meow,that little girl has been through hell on earth for sure,but she's lucky she has you to love her and care for her.
Cats are mysterious,what they love to eat one day,they'll turn their noses up to,the next.
I would feed her a good variety of Wellness cans or any other good food,I always vary my cats food,so they don't get bored.
How serious is the beginning of renal failure,it does not have to be bad and she will not have to eat the vet-food,Sugarcatmom and Growler,I am sure know what to feed her.
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Thanks I guess it takes time. Sometimes she will eat 1/4 can and then the next day I offer her the exact thing she loved and she turns her nose up at it.
My cat does the exact same thing. Which is why he's now trained me to offer him a different brand or flavour at every meal. Perhaps your kitty is the same.

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Then I found out my cat has BEGINNING signs of renal disease. Guess what: no sign sign of this pre-surgery but now showing signs post-surgery.
Sorry to hear that. Do you know what painkiller it was that they used? Also, I don't suppose you have (or can get) a copy of the lab work that indicates she has renal issues? The urinalysis along with the blood panel would be helpful.

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They are now going to put her on Hill's k.d. thru the feeding tube.
Please don't use K/D. This is a horrible food and it's use for renal issues in cats is completely misguided. She needs a normal amount of protein, it's the phosphorus that should be limited, and there are much better foods that fit the bill. Depending on her blood work, she may be a candidate for phosphorus binders or other medications/supplements. Here is some info for you on CRF in cats:
http://felineoutreach.org/EducationD...=KidneyDisease
http://www.felinecrf.com/index.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/

I'd suggest finding some Innova Evo 95% venison and/or beef and tube-feeding her that instead of the K/D. You could also offer her Felidae Chicken & Rice (would be difficult to tube feed unless blenderized very fine). These have low phosphorus but much better quality ingredients than anything Hill's has to offer.

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I feel horrible. I know I shouldn't blame myself b/c at the time I thought I was doing the right thing. But now I feel sooooooooo bad for my little friend.
All we can do is the best we can given the info that we have. Please don't blame yourself!!! And I know this may be really hard right now, but try to put on your happy face for your girl. Cat's are extremely sensitive to our emotions and she may be picking up on your anguish.


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She is doing more things that seem like her: walking with her tail sitcking up , jumping onto bed at night, sitting in sun, purring.
Awesome! These are definitely excellent signs.
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