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Old March 28th, 2008, 05:25 AM
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In 16 days I would have made my way to every pound in my area(I too live very rural, the mountains)and I would have driven to every town and looked in ever pound and shelter until I found her. Every where has At Large laws, regarding pets, otherwise we would quickly be overrun by feral dogs, and probably many auto accidents from motorists swerving from loved pets like the one discussed here. And my first phone call would be to my RCMP and local authorities. I see someone who has more time to sit on the internet complaining about a mistake, who knows what was occupying her for 16 days while she could have easily taken the time off work and driven to each pound and shelter, she would have found him. This is a beloved pet, as she puts it, and the military would have alloted her the time to do this. I did, by the way look at a map of Manitoba, and you would very early on been in Brandon, looking in the pound. As for the laws, they are quite clear, and yes do apply to your community.
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Wasn't going to respond but, well gonna anyway. Maybe if you read the whole post and not just the last page or two you would know that Kelly tried to find out who controled the pound for her area. The ac person for her area held off submitting the ticket for Brew so as far as she knew he hadn't been picked up. And still she did finally manage to track him down. Unfortunately a couple days too late.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 07:18 AM
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I just find there is something not kosher going on here
Whoever has Brew,or knows where he is,must realize by now,Kelly is not going to give up on her dog.
Why not come forward,give Kelly some answers,then she can go on from there,whatever the outcome.
Hostility and rudeness,will solve nothing.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 08:07 AM
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Wasn't going to respond but, well gonna anyway. Maybe if you read the whole post and not just the last page or two you would know that Kelly tried to find out who controled the pound for her area. The ac person for her area held off submitting the ticket for Brew so as far as she knew he hadn't been picked up. And still she did finally manage to track him down. Unfortunately a couple days too late.
I would also like to add that, very soon after Brew went missing, she had back surgery and was UNABLE to go out and physically look in every pound.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 08:43 AM
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To Aslan, I did in fact read the entire thread. I am an old retired guy, whose wife has been reading this and asked me to respond, I have all the details you do, and I don't think the facts are up for interpretation, they have been repeated by more than one party. As long as this dog that was found in -50 weather was her's and has been adopted, I think we can all feel safe that he is ok. If this is not her dog and he is in fact still out in the wild, I do not want to think what his fate has become, and I am sure she would not want to either. I understand that everyone on this site has a heart of gold, otherwise we would not care at all, but this is not an issue that anyone can help her with. At this point, giving false hope to a desperate person, seems sad and kind of like you are waiting for the train wreck. Argue all you like about the facts and bylaws, etc, I have seen many cases like this in my career, and unfortunately the animal always stays with the adopted family. And Kelly may never find out who adopted him.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 08:58 AM
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I know I would be ready to fight tooth and nail to get my dog back,6 yrs is more than half his lifetime,six yrs that he has spent with his family,who love him.
Nobody can blame Kelly for that, we don't know what we would do if we were in her position.

As a volunteer for a small rural humane society I empathize with these organizations who do not have the money for any legal fights, can make them go under, which means many animals suffer, if they don't go bankrupt, then it is money taken away from vet care :sad:. Because I don't think it was the pound that was at fault, it would be very sad if they did get bad publicity and as a result, people stop adopting from the pound and start going to BYB's in the area:sad:.

I still keep thinking that Kelly had a second chance to change procedures in her home, but didn't, she continued to allow the dog roam free. I just don't have so much sympathy for those who do not learn from their prior mistakes. Sorry, but that is the way I feel. There is an expression that sort of fits this: Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. (I know she wasn't "fooled", but I think the idea is to learn from past mistakes.

Strays that come into the shelters do not come with a story so there is no way of knowing who the owners are or if it is a sad story behind their circumstances, does that mean that those animals that come in with a sad story should have special circumstances and privilegdes, shelters just can't work that way. They can't be adopting out animals then having the owners come in with a sad story (car accident, hospitalized, etc), then having the shelters track down the adopters and take the pet away.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 09:01 AM
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If this is not her dog and he is in fact still out in the wild, I do not want to think what his fate has become, and I am sure she would not want to either. I understand that everyone on this site has a heart of gold, otherwise we would not care at all, but this is not an issue that anyone can help her with.
I think we all hope that this was not Brew's fate.

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Old March 28th, 2008, 09:22 AM
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I have an idea! Whenever someone posts something that is blatantly argumentative, or designed to make this thread go around in circles, or is obviously only attempting to be hurtful and rude- let's just play the "ignore" game. It can be like the post never showed up in the first place!

It just seems silly to keep posting back at the same people the logical arguments we've all used once before, when the poster obviously has no interest in what we're actually trying to say or confirm.

Did some body say something? I didn't hear anything... How about you?

Again- not directed to Kelly or LP or anyone like that! (So hard when I'm trying not to say the names of the people we're ignoring!)
So what you are saying is if you don't agree with Kelly or LP you shouldn't post?

This is a public forum and as long as the coversation stays civil, members should be allowed to post their opinions, otherwise it should be a private forum, invited guests only.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 09:44 AM
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No we are not part of the city of Brandon, we are not in the same county and we have our own bylaws....no animals here have city of Brandon tags....we have our own AC but no where to put them and an agreement is in place with Brandon to transport them there....if it's official or simply word of mouth....don't know...

I'm not denying the fact Brew was lost or whos fault it may or may not have been...my beef is the road to having him returned wasen't plowed! How many people that are so so pet owners have had their pets sent to the pound or shelter and because they were aware of the process to have them returned end up using the system as a part time babysitter before they pick them up and pay the fine....repeatedly....

As for getting time off duty for this considering the work i do....no comment...I won't even dignify that with one....don't talk about what you don't know

Yes Jim I can provide info to show who he is...he does have identifying marks...right down to the grey patches on his lower gums....I know this dog inside and out....but know one has asked me for anything....I wish they would
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Old March 28th, 2008, 09:53 AM
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I know what everyone's saying about the good name of the pound/shelter at risk....that's why i'm here....hoping this can be resolved....I could have started a court case a month ago but yet i persist here...why?...because of the same reasons that others have stated here....I'm a supporter of these agencies....always have been yet because i love my dog and there's circumstances that bring the final result into question I've chosen to challenge the system....hopefully fix it in the long run...but I'm not losing my Brew to an innocent mistake....
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Winston you rock! Let's say someone has there eye on a dog that they want....steal it but make it look like the dog broke his collar or make a hole in the fence....take it and tie it to the door of a shelter/pound in another area, wait 3-5 days then legally adopt it....what can the original owners do to reclaim their dog if somehow they find out he was at that shelter/pound at one time?
I think the key is that the owners take immediate steps to find their dog, that entails going to the pound/shelters to look for it and other search methods.

It took me all of 5 minutes on the internet to find the shelters/pounds in Manitoba and the links/contact info you needed to do your search and get on the phone. In this day and age, internet is the most logical place to start to look. It is possible a citizen could bring a stray dog to the shelter and therefore the town would never have a record of it. Also, one time here in Ontario (not sure about Manitoba) you can call to find out if any dead domesticated animals have been cleaned up from the highway.

I don't know how long you have been in the military, but we have learned very early not to trust anybody, read RO, CFAO's, etc. I have later learned not to trust gov't employees . My age is probably showing now .

BTW, you stated, not probable, I bet this does happen, there are alot of dogs stolen, and there are many dogs dumped at the shelter after hours.

As for not encouraging the legal issue. Maybe it is me, but I want people to be truthful, I don't want to hear "don't worry, everything will be OK" when in the back of their minds, they are thinking, "Oh God, is she ever in trouble". I am a very honest person and express how I honestly feel and I respect those who have differing opinions (as long as it is expressed somewhat tactfully).
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Old March 28th, 2008, 09:58 AM
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you know what in the end the fact that people are hear and are interested in what's going on...whether you agree or disagree....or feel i should or could have done more....or whether my decisions made sense to you or not....the fact is I tried and I don't consider myself uneducated or a door mat to anyone...if it could happen to me....it can happen to you....and where i sit now i'm still not satisfied that this couldn't have been dealt with in a better manner....that tells me that others in similar positions will be EXPECTED to give up their best friends.....

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As for getting time off duty for this considering the work i do....no comment...I won't even dignify that with one....don't talk about what you don't know
You are right there, Kelly, in the military, like in civilian jobs it depends on your boss. The majority (99%) of military personnel would get time off to go to a shelter, I have worked for the military and like I said in a previous post, I grew up military, I married military.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 10:17 AM
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people don't have to agree with me himmies I have no problem with that...When Brew first went missing there certainly was emotion but I wasen't terrified of losing him at that point....because i live in Carberry....small town securities....when i started hearing that there was no AC here it reinforced that thought that a family here was holding him again....

It's interesting that no one has commented on possible scenarios that the pound/shelter could possibly be confronted with with regard to turned in pets....what if there is an injustice at play...is the bottom line always sorry you cannot get your pet back? Or is the answer always court?...I know in the past people have gotten their pets back from adoption through court but why did it have to go that far?...It seems to me that if the pound is that concerned about their reputation that they would be a little more concerned with just how animals come to be there and the systems in place to help owners reconnect with their pets...why was the pound not aware that Carberry no longer had an AC agent? and if they did no why did it not tweek their interest when the old AC brought my dog in? Would it not concern you that the system wasen't being followed? you wanna talk responsibility let's turn the tables a bit.

If my story has so many people for/against it proves to me that there is just cause.
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There are so many pages to this, I can't read it all, but have read a lot of it. I wanted to comment on this:
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the fact is I tried and I don't consider myself uneducated or a door mat to anyone...if it could happen to me....it can happen to you....and where i sit now i'm still not satisfied that this couldn't have been dealt with in a better manner..
This is so true...an animal can escape fairly easily from one's home or yard. I often think of how scary that would be, like even a secure home can be broken into, leaving a window of opportunity for pets to get out. We should all be prepared for this to happen even if we think our animals will never get loose. Never assume that even with the best diligence this cannot happen to each of us. My dog and one of my cats are microchipped but I have heard that those chips don't even get checked much of the time.

I live in a city of 1 million people and would be absolutely terrified if I lost one of my animals in this town. Not only because there are many freaks out there who would want to hurt them, but also, they would likely be killed in traffic before even getting picked up. And, even though I would take all my time to scour every shelter in town, there are quite a few, some of them are not well organized and they don't post all the lost animals on their websites. The Humane Society also stopped at some point allowing people to go look at the 'Found' animals to see if the animal was theirs, claiming they did not have time to escort people to this area all the time. A very sad story, last year a man was looking for his dog, they would not let him see the animals, and his dog ended up getting put down

My condolences Kelly, to the loss of your Brew. I hope you at least find out someday if the dog in question even is Brew. I would be beside myself with grief and would want to know if he were ok or if I should still be looking for him.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 12:04 PM
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people don't have to agree with me himmies I have no problem with that...
If my story has so many people for/against it proves to me that there is just cause.
Kelly my comment about agree/not agree was not directed at you, you have actually been extremely patient to all, more so than most people would be, in my opinion anyways.

Just because somebody agrees with you or not, does mean you have just cause, they are really only hearing your side (vice versa too, just because they disagree with you doesn't mean that you DON'T have just cause).

I can't comment on those who do get their pets back after they have been adopted, perhaps the pound did not keep them for the required time, who knows, perhaps the original owners sumitted an appeal in the alloted time period. Maybe their pet was stolen and turned into the shelter. Not sure what a shelter does during this time, but in my opinion if an appeal has been submitted they should not be allowed to adopt out the animals, may only lead to heart break to the new owners.
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The Humane Society also stopped at some point allowing people to go look at the 'Found' animals to see if the animal was theirs, claiming they did not have time to escort people to this area all the time. A very sad story, last year a man was looking for his dog, they would not let him see the animals, and his dog ended up getting put down
Don't think any legal shelter can do that here in Canada, legally anyways. How horrible. :sad:
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Wasn't there a story about a man in toronto trying to get his dog back? It was a dalmation if I recall, and he had left the country and the person who was caring for the dog, either lost it, or turned it in. I believe he also fought for his dogs return as his dog was also adopted out......does anyone else recall that story....I wonder how that one turned out? Did he get his dog back?
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Was that a newspaper article? Maybe it can be searched on TO Star website.
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Was that a newspaper article? Maybe it can be searched on TO Star website.

Yes it was all over the Toronto papers if I recall
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So what you are saying is if you don't agree with Kelly or LP you shouldn't post?

This is a public forum and as long as the coversation stays civil, members should be allowed to post their opinions, otherwise it should be a private forum, invited guests only.
Sorry, L4H, I was apparently very unclear - I was actually trying to say (in a round-about, confusing way, I admit it!) that anyone should be allowed to post their opinions- free flow of information is great!- but that people who cannot or refuse to be civil maybe shouldn't be encouraged with responses.

I would mostly love for the blame, anger, and hateful comments to go away so that this thread can remain civil so that information and opinions can flow freely without anyone getting hurt feelings.
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Sorry, L4H, I was apparently very unclear - I was actually trying to say (in a round-about, confusing way, I admit it!) that anyone should be allowed to post their opinions- free flow of information is great!- but that people who cannot or refuse to be civil maybe shouldn't be encouraged with responses.

I would mostly love for the blame, anger, and hateful comments to go away so that this thread can remain civil so that information and opinions can flow freely without anyone getting hurt feelings.

Agreed, in all public forums, conversations should stay civil, doesn't do any good to get angry, can't control what people do anyways.
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i use to live in carberry, and still have family that live there. I know that the town does have info stating that they use the brandon pound. My dog got loose about 7 yrs ago and i was told by the town to call the city pound. which i did. Also I know that the Carberry paper did have something in it the AC retiring in Jan. What I don't understand is why if you knew that Carberry didn't have a pound why you wouldn't call Brandon's pound. which would be the closest one. That would make sense. If you thought that another family in Carberry, why wouldn't you put up posters around town, saying you lost your dog, hoping someone would be able to point to where your dog is.

I am siding with the family that adopted Brew. They went to the pound to adopt a dog that has not been claimed by the owner after he was in there for 16days. I feel for you, but the new family does not have to give back your dog, you lost him, I don't believe from what I have read on all your posted that you everything humanly possible to find our dog. Even if you did he is adopted, you can't get him back.

AS for bashing Funds fur furry friends, they are a wondering rescue, they adopt dogs from the pound that would of been euthinzed to give them a 2nd chance. They did not thing wrong but gave a dog a 2nd chance. I know that the website for funds fur furry friends, updates their website almost daily if there are pets in the pound, hoping that the owners will find them.
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Yes he got the dog back,but it was surrendered to the shelter by someone else,the dog did not come in as a stray.
http://www.pets.ca/forum/archive/index.php/t-14304.html

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Wasn't there a story about a man in toronto trying to get his dog back? It was a dalmation if I recall, and he had left the country and the person who was caring for the dog, either lost it, or turned it in. I believe he also fought for his dogs return as his dog was also adopted out......does anyone else recall that story....I wonder how that one turned out? Did he get his dog back?

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Very interesting. Almost sounds like any shelter or humane society can't legally adopt out any strays as they don't have legal ownership??? Even if the dog/cat is surrendered how is the shelter to guarantee that the pet is actually owned by the person surrendering the pet?
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The law is clear on strays,but this case was different imo
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I agree that this case was different, but how is a shelter ever really going to know if a surrendered pet is actually owned by the person surrendering? Anybody can lie.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 06:16 PM
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True,but how many people will have proof and take it to court I wonder.I dont know how many require ID and proof of ownership to surrender,not a bad idea.
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In rural areas, the local police are wonderful and are full of information. When I had an injured deer in my yard and had no clue who to call, they passed on info on where I can try to find help for it and did come out to my yard, but their hands were tied legally on what they could do, understandably so.
This all varies in areas.Yes you called about a deer...That's great..Wildlife should have been called in.But to call a station and ask about a lost dog,all they will tell you is to call a shelter/pound.Do they have the address in front of them?No.Should they take the time to google it?I don't think so.


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Don't think any legal shelter can do that here in Canada, legally anyways. How horrible.
You would be surprised at things that are done behind closed doors.
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This all varies in areas.Yes you called about a deer...That's great..Wildlife should have been called in.But to call a station and ask about a lost dog,all they will tell you is to call a shelter/pound.Do they have the address in front of them?No.Should they take the time to google it?I don't think so.




You would be surprised at things that are done behind closed doors.
Bet they would have had the pound numbers for Kelly to call and that is what she needed in her search.
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