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View Poll Results: What food for Boo (and other dogs who can eat neither poultry not WK...) UNICHOICE | |||
California Natural Herring and Sweet potato | 0 | 0% | |
Canidae Lamb and Rice | 1 | 8.33% | |
DVP Sweet potato and fish | 2 | 16.67% | |
Evo Red Meat | 2 | 16.67% | |
Evo +California Natural Herring | 0 | 0% | |
Evo +Canidae Lamb | 5 | 41.67% | |
Evo +DVP sweet potato+fish | 0 | 0% | |
All of the above. | 1 | 8.33% | |
Feed him canned instead. | 0 | 0% | |
My choice is not here or I know something better and I've posted it below. | 1 | 8.33% | |
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll |
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Cider's jealous...
We have dvp in a container in the kitchen, with NV freeze dried and evo rm sitting in the bags beside it.. She ate her ground beef and rice, but kept pushing the nv and evo bags aroudn the kitchen with her head...
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lol I'm just hoping the DVP is worth the money somehow.
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I never saw how expensive anything other than the smallest bags of stuff were.. I had no idea the dvp was so much.. But then again I just bought the DVP ultra one, and it's cheap at like 9.50 for the small bag.. But the allergy formulas were like 17 for the same bag size..
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Yeah, pretty expensive. More expensive than most of the other ones.
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i've tried the DVP kibble (well dakotah did, not me LOL) and cannot say if it was better or worse than other holistic brands he liked it fine enough but no miracles came from that food, LOL! i'd rather use the money to buy real meat and supplement cheaper kibbles...
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I pay about $30 USD for the big bag of Evo, and $35 for the big bag of Evo Red.
You can get the large kibble size for the Evo, so I'm sure they will be out with a larger kibble for the RM as well. Last edited by greaterdane; September 21st, 2006 at 11:01 PM. |
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Cider went for the self serve dog food..
Never ever had an issue leaving kibble in the kitchen... EVO rm opened too easy.. and she got a mouthful and liked it.. Turns out the NV freeze dried I got is chicken, and she likes that even better.. I gave her a few kibbles, went to the bathroom, and she's ROLLING on the dog food bag, and pawing at it and crying... WOW.
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go cider, go!
greaterdane, where do you shop?? i got the big bag of EVO in Boston last August and it was $43 for the 28.6 lbs. i want to shop where you shop!
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Confused about protein
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Can somebody help me out here about protein levels!!! This is really confusing to me as well and maybe because I not a mathematician! Understanding that scientific research shows that high protein diets are safe and with the formulation of these high protein kibbles - specifically Innova Evo and Orijen which are in the 40% range. Understanding that raw meat is lower in protein - as stated above - when will an animal ever consume a meal that is that high in protein. Is it taxing on the body of a dog to consume a diet rich in this much protein in one shot? That's where I don't understand the difference when these diets try to mirror the biological diet. If my dog is just going to pee the protein out he doesn't need - should I be paying for more protein. I don't even know how much he needs or can use. I don't know how much protein is even consumed in a natural diet (for a wolf for example). |
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Superwanda: the problem with the little chart that Scott but up, is that meat is wet, while kibble is dry. Yeah, protein takes up 42% of evo, but add enough water to it so that it is the same density of nutrients as raw meat, and it drops down to slightly less than what is in raw meat. If you look at my post below Scott's post, you'll see that, when you compare absolute protein values, evo has slightly less protein than raw meat does, and absolute values are what really matter anyways.
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Thanks Puppyluv,
I found this website where you can look up the protein content of over 6000 foods (http://www.ars.usda.gov/main/site_ma...ecode=12354500) Choose "Search" on this page and you will be directed to their food composition search engine. If you look up chicken breast, raw, meat only, on the USDA web site, you will find that 100 grams of this meat contains 75 grams water, 23 grams of protein, and 1 gram fat and 1 gram ash (which is the mineral content). If you look up this same food after it is cooked it will contain less water and more protein and fat - now it has 65 g of water and 31 grams of protein, 4 grams of fat and 1 gram of ash So for 100g of chicken you are changing the protein from 23g to 31g just by cooking it. Just like to figure all this stuff out!!! Last edited by SuperWanda; September 22nd, 2006 at 04:59 PM. Reason: link wasn't working |
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Exactly.
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Ok.... I did take biochemistry. I guess I'm not too clear on what absolute protein is and how you determine that amount????
Am I going to have to whip out my mass spectrometer???? Cause I don't wanna have to do that |
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To end up with 100 g of cooked chicken you have to start out with MORE than 100 g raw because you're cooking off a lot of the water, which is why 100 g of cooked chicken has more protein than 100 g of raw chicken.
That's about the simplest way I can think of to explain it. |
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I see what you are saying - if i go to that site and put in 200g of raw chicken, then I end up with 46% protein.
I'm not sure if 100g of cooked can be compared to 200g raw but I see the point you are trying to make. So, now I will have to get some cooked and raw chicken for the final experiment!!!! Is it therefore generally wise to add more water to the kibble before serving? Last edited by SuperWanda; September 22nd, 2006 at 05:22 PM. |
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i :love: you guys! cuz I'll be going to be a bit smarter tonight, LOL!
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say you drink 1 glass of 1% milk. drinking 2 glasses will not make it 2% - see?
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Yes - I got my cooked and raw chicken mixed up and changed my previous post.
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I think I'm going to burst a brain cell here people!!!! |
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How come nobody's feeding Fromm? If they would sell it in my area,I would probably buy it,they have 4 different kind of fish food (perfect for dogs with allergies) I really like what I saw when I checked out their website.Might be good for Boo?
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Absolute protein is simply, how many grams there are. But % protein is how many grams of protein relative to how much the entire thing weighs. So a raw 100g chicken breast has: Absolute=23 grams Percent=23% But then you cook it, and it loses water, so it now weighs 85 grams (let's just say) so it has: Absolute=(still) 23 grams Percent=% (23/90*100=26) A cooked 100g chicken breast has: Absolute=31 grams Percent=31% But before it was cooked, it weighed 130 grams (let's just say) so it had Absolute=(still) 31 grams Percent=24% (these estimations of pre and post cooking weights aren't accurate, because they should, in theory equal out to always be the same %protein for all the pre-cooked and then for all the pos-cooked breasts, but this is just for the sake of explanation)
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Food for Boo
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Ok... Food for Boo
My cottage is in New York state but I have been buying my Solid Gold from a supplier in Vermont. I am going to give him a call tomorrow and see what he thinks. He was a breeder of Akita's and has been a supplier for Sold Gold for over 20 years. He is a smart man so he should have some opinions on the changes.
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I really don't know what menadione is,guess it's bad....
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