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Old April 8th, 2008, 01:57 PM
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Hello everyone, I just got a puppy on sunday and I have bought him Medi Cal Growth and Developement. I bought it from my vet but I am just wondering if this is a good food and if anyone has had any problems with it. All input will be greatly appreciated.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 02:10 PM
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The only experience I have with Medi-cal food was the prescription Fiber formula. Honestly, my dogs did horribly on it. It helped a bit with the specific condition it was prescribed for, but their overall health just went totally down hill while they ate it.
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First what was the little fuzzbutt eating before you got the vet food, if you switch straight from one to the other it will upset his tummy. I'm with Pitgirl, i'm not a fan of Medi-cal. There is a food forum here i would suggest you check out what some of the others have to say.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:52 PM
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We started our Penny on this when we brought her home (Lucky was on the Preventative Formula). I thought it was one of the best foods because the vet recommended and sold it...and I trusted his word .


Dry - Development Formula

Chicken Meal, Brewers Rice, Oat Flour, Corn, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Citric Acid and Lecithin), Dried Whole Egg, Fish Meal, Yeast Culture, Beet Pulp, Cranberry Meal, Tomato Pomace (Source of Lycopene), Flax Meal, Chicken Digest, Minerals (Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Monosodium Phosphate, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulphate, Iron Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulphate, Copper Bioplex, Calcium Iodate and Organic Selenium), Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Taurine, DL-Methionine, L-Lysine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E, Inositol, Vitamin C, Niacin, Ascorbyl Polyphosphate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Beta-Carotene, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Biotin, Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D3), Bacillus Subtilis Dried Fermentation Extract, L-Carnitine, L-Glutamine, Docosahexanoic Acid and Alpha-Lipoic Acid.

First, many dogs can be intolerant to corn, and imo, it's a cheap filler. The other highlighted ingredients are some of the ones you'd want to avoid as recommended by the Dog Food Project: http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....badingredients
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Old April 8th, 2008, 04:03 PM
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Akira,I was one of those people once,thinking whatever the vet recommends has to be good food,but not so anymore.
Ther are many excellent foods out there in Pet-Food stores and most of the time with very helpful staff,you can make a slow transition from Medi-Cal to better food for your puppy.
Check out our Food Forum,tons of great advice!
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Old April 8th, 2008, 05:09 PM
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Thank you everyone!

we ended up adopting the puppy from an abusive home, and they were feeding him kibbles n bits. We told the vet our situation and they recomended the medi-cal.

Now would it be a better idea to let him adapt to the medi-cal then switch him to something else, or keep him on the kibbles n bits, untill we find a better food?
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Old April 8th, 2008, 05:18 PM
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Just about anything is better than K&B imo. If you haven't a choice for now, stay with the MediCal until you've researched some better quality foods .
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Old April 8th, 2008, 06:49 PM
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I agree with Luckypenny......Medi-Cal is bad but stay away from the Kibbles n Bits. I would go to a local independent pet store and get a premium/holistic dog food. Mix it in with the Medi-Cal until he is transitioned over then take the bag of Medi-Cal back to the vet. You will get a full refund....just tell them that your dog doesn't like it.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:51 PM
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Thanks everyone

Now I thought I heard some where that performatrin was a pet store food, is this true? Cause i have also heard its a pretty good food. I got a sample bag and the dogs seemed to like it. Should i go with this food? Or am I once again being turned in the wrong direction?


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Someone here posted that it is Pet Valu's brand. We don't have a Pet Valu here but I checked their website for the ingredients:

http://www.performatrinultra.com/puppy/pdi_chicken.htm ....
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Chicken
Chicken Meal
Whole Brown Rice
Whole Barley
Whole Rice
Menhaden Fish Meal
Oatmeal
Ground Whole Rye
Sunflower Oil stabilized with mixed Tocopherols (a natural source of Vitamin E)
Dried Egg Product
Alfalfa Meal
Peas
Fresh Whole Sweet Potatoes
Fresh Whole Carrots
Fresh Whole Apples
Sea Salt
Kelp
Brewers Dried Yeast
Potassium Chloride
Whole Blueberries
Whole Flaxseed
Spinach
Dried Skimmed Milk
Chicory Root Extract (Prebiotic)
Garlic
Lactobacillus Acidophilus (Probiotic)
Bacillus Subtilis (Probiotic)
Bifidobacterium Thermophilum (Probiotic)
Bifidobacterium Longum (Probiotic)
Enterococcus Faecium (Probiotic)
DL-Methionine
Taurine
Yucca Schidigera Extract
Lecithin
Ascorbyl Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C)
Zinc Amino-Acid Complex (source of Chelated Zinc)
Choline Chloride
Vitamin E Supplement
L-Lysine
Iron Amino-Acid Complex (source of Chelated Iron)
Rosemary
Manganese Amino-Acid Complex (source of Chelated Manganese)
Basil
Sage
Copper Amino-Acid Complex (source of Chelated Copper)
Dandelion
Vitamin B12 Supplement
Vitamin A Supplement
Niacin
Calcium Pantothenate
Vitamin D3 Supplement
Riboflavin
Folic Acid
Pyridoxine Hydrochloride
Thiamine Hydrochloride
Biotin
Beta Carotene
Cobalt Amino-Acid Complex (source of Chelated Cobalt)
Potassium Iodide
Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity)
Selenium Yeast (source of Organic Selenium)
There are alot worse foods out there but I think you can find better. It is too grainy imo and it contains Menhaden Fish Meal which is usually preserved with ethoxyquin before it is sold to the pet food manufacturer.

Also, the Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (also known as Vitamin K3) is a controversial ingredient that is banned for human consumption. It is the cheapest source of Vitamin K .....they should be using Vitamin K1 instead. Most of the premium/holistic brands have removed it entirely from their formulas and added natural sources of Vitamin K instead.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 01:25 PM
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What would I do without you all on the site, thank you very much rainbow.

Do they sell wellness for puppies?
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I know there's a wellness canned for puppies, I'm not sure about dry. I mix my dogs half and half with wellness canned and kirkland (costco), and orijen dry.

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Yes, they do sell Wellness for puppies. I noticed that your puppy will be a year old next month. Is he full grown? If so, then you can feed him the adult formula.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 01:53 PM
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Thats our other pup, Akira. Adams the new arrival, hes only about 10-12 weeks.

Thanks alot you guys, im glad i asked and didnt just keep feeding him this food.

I'll be posting up some pictures of him today so you can see how adorable he is. Hes already 30 pounds!
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Sorry....I looked at your profile and only seen the one you listed and I haven't kept up with a lot of the posts lately.

Looking forward to the pics.
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This Drives me CRAZY!!

Question for everyone....
Who do you trust to accurately give the BEST information for your pet...a teenager from a pet food store or a veterinarian who has gone through YEARS of training??

Things to check that I knnow medi-cal has
Digestive Enzymes- puppies are born with immature gut systems...Does Kibbles and Bits have this- or better yet does WELLNESS have this

DHA for brain and spinal growth

RESEARCH and 100% guarentee- Are the Welness products actually going through feeding trials- HELL NO!!

Corn is actually a very healthy ingredient in pet food if properly cooked it supplies over 89% digestability!
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Who do you trust to accurately give the BEST information for your pet...a teenager from a pet food store or a veterinarian who has gone through YEARS of training??
Neither. They're both in the back pockets of the pet food industry. Do you actually know how much training veterinarians get regarding nutrition anyway? About the same as the teenager in the pet food store.

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RESEARCH and 100% guarentee- Are the Welness products actually going through feeding trials- HELL NO!!
Feeding trials are not designed to determine how to make pets thrive, their purpose is to try to keep the animals alive. Big difference. A feeding trial only requires 8 animals eating the one food for 6 months, and only 6 of the animals need to finish the trial. This hardly indicates whether a food is "complete and balanced for the life of the pet", as Big Pet Food would have us believe. Here's a book that you really need to read before putting anymore blind faith into the unscrupulous industry of veterinary diets: http://www.amazon.ca/Not-Fit-Dog-Tru.../dp/1884956831

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Corn is actually a very healthy ingredient in pet food if properly cooked it supplies over 89% digestability!
Just curious, are you in vet school by chance?
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Who do you trust to accurately give the BEST information for your pet...
I trust,,,, Sugarcatmom,Growler,Rainbow, Luckypenny...
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Years of what type of training???? Not nutrition that is for sure, because if they had they would realize that cats are carnivores and should be eating meat not grains and corn . In fact, for cats, some essential nutrients are only found in fresh, raw meat. That tells me that a cat should in fact be eating a properly prepared RAW diet , not a processed one with a vitamin pill added.
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Corn is actually a very healthy ingredient in pet food if properly cooked it supplies over 89% digestability!
well then , if you do believe this , save yourself lots of $$$ and go buy your dog a bag of pop corn.
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well then , if you do believe this , save yourself lots of $$$ and go buy your dog a bag of pop corn.


"Just curious, are you in vet school by chance?"

Good question SCM...the poster has not come back to answer
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"Just curious, are you in vet school by chance?"

Good question SCM...the poster has not come back to answer
I'm thinking that she (he) has been totally brainwashed by a Medi-Cal rep and then dazzled by their freebie incentive package.
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I trust my own research when choosing food for my dogs.

IMO, It sounds like you are just regurgitating pieces of a lecture from an 'instructor' provided by Hills or Medi-cal. The average vet student is required to take very little in the way of nutrition classes, and what they are required to take is most often provided by Hills or Medi-cal. Of course they are going to say that their products are the absolute best diet for a dog, doesn't matter that most Hill's products number one ingredient is corn - they'll tell you that the carnivore in your living room will do very well on a corn based diet. Humans don't even digest corn very well - and dogs have an even harder time converting it. It's a cheap filler. When those kinds of diets do work for special medical conditions, I believe it is the additives in the food that work, certainly not the sub-par ingredients.
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Things to check that I knnow medi-cal has
The thing that I know Medi-cal has is a history of recalls

Cyanuric acid http://www.itchmo.com/royal-canin-ca...d-dog-food-474

Melamine & Cyanuric acid http://www.medi-cal.ca/company/pdf/e...uct_recall.pdf

Melamine & Excess amounts of Vitamin D http://www.acreaturecomfort.com/royalcaninrecall.htm

Excess amounts of Vitamin D from 2004 to 2007 http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=2795253

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Yeah right that's why everyone has such smelly gas so horribly after it's "digested" and the poop is mushy diarreah-like & odd coloured
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The only experience I have with Medi-cal food was the prescription Fiber formula. Honestly, my dogs did horribly on it. It helped a bit with the specific condition it was prescribed for, but their overall health just went totally down hill while they ate it.
My experience with Medi-cal Hypoallergenic was not a good one. It never helped my cats constant soft stinky runny stools over the many years. Neither did the medication the vet pumped him with. What I can tell you is the Medi-cal made my vet alot of money.
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The fact that a vet at the clinic where I work told me that feeding my dog raw was not natural and that if I wanted to feed her natural food, I should feed her canned, convinces me not to trust a vet's advice when it comes to nutrition. Sure, they know which food to prescribe for a particular condition but why do they prescribe a food with grains in it for diabetic animals? I remember a Medi-Cal rep coming into the clinic and describing how they have a super duper technological way of screening the corn that comes in. I can't remember exactly what happens but basically, the batch of corn is screened somehow and if it doesn't pass, the whole batch gets sent back. Well, after a dog eats it, it comes out whole anyway, so they can have it back then too. Admittedly, more and more vets are becoming more raw-friendly but I wish the current vets would get with the program. In this day and age of people striving for good health and knowing that most of it comes from natural, whole foods, you'd think that there would be a new wave ot thinking in the veterinary industry. I once asked one of the vets about an ingredient in one of the prescription foods and what good does it do for an animal? All he could say was what the food was prescribed for. So you have no knowledge of what powdered cellulose is for?

As for the OP's question, yes, stick with the Medi-cal until you find a good food. Then transition slowly - usually, when you transition from a poor food to a good food, you should transition more slowly to allow your dog's stomach to get used to the new ingredients. Plus, you will find you won't have to feed as much of the better food. Just follow the guidelines on the bag and then adjust if your dog starts to gain weight or lose weight.
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Oh my

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I agree it would seem that way wouldnt it. Because the pet food industry is completely un-regulated. You would be shocked when you see what is in your "natural grain free foods!!" and by the way Maize IS corn.. and a lot of those labels just change the name so that people have no idea what it acutally is. Cats are carnivores yes, but if a company tells you that there are no carb sources in dry food they are lying to you.. because that is impossible- you can not make canned food without a carb source.

This is taken from Orijen...

Fresh boneless chicken, Did you know that this is completely marketing.. FRESH CHICKEN is not possible.. so by the time it gets into the pet food it is actually dehydated and is made up of 75% water.. so now its actually ingredient number 7

Food Allergies are a huge problem... So after having your pet on this diet.. you have just exposed you pet to 7 types of protein sources...

Russet potato--- How is this natural... When did dogs chow down on potatoes in the wild?and not onyl that.. they are just breaking down all of the carbs in the ingredient panel..

Cranberries- do you know that feeding cranberries actually can invoke a urinary infection??

Vitamin supplements- how are these vitamins supplied. Just putting vitamins in the diet WILL not allow them to be properly absorbed- they need to be attached to a protein source or a amino acid.

chicken meal, turkey meal, russet potato, fresh pacific salmon (a natural source of DHA and EPA), herring meal, sweet potato, peas, fresh lake whitefish, fresh northern walleye, chicken fat (naturally preserved with vitamin E and citric acid), chicken liver, salmon meal, fresh turkey, fresh whole eggs, fresh deboned herring, sun-cured alfalfa, salmon oil, chicory root, dehydrated organic kelp, pumpkin, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, saskatoon berries, black currants, choline chloride, psyllium, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, sea salt, vitamin supplements (vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, vitamin C, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, vitamin B5, vitamin B6, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12), mineral supplements (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium), dried Lactobacillus acidophilus, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.

These Lactobacillus and Enterococcus are HUMAN strains WHICH have NO effect on the DOG!!

Also, Question for you
When Nutro, Iams and all the other companies got affected in the recall... what did they do..ANSWER- NOTHING

Medi-cal paid for EVERY single vet bill that these patients occured.. what does that tell you..
that they back there product- guarentee you none of the other companies will do that.

Bottom line..
do your research.. feed your pet what you want.. but I want to feed my dog something I know has A gone through research and B is backed 100%


Flip Girl84- exactly what would you call natural.. as opossed to un-natural.
And I would like for you to see exactly what regulations all the foods that are "organic" actually have.
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Also, Question for you
When Nutro, Iams and all the other companies got affected in the recall... what did they do..ANSWER- NOTHING
Nutro and Iams aren't brands I would ever choose to feed my pets.

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Medi-cal paid for EVERY single vet bill that these patients occured.. what does that tell you..
Companies like Wellness, Nature's Variety, Natura, etc weren't involved in the recall at all. What does that tell you?

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do your research..
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Old August 26th, 2009, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PetCrazy84 View Post
Also, Question for you
When Nutro, Iams and all the other companies got affected in the recall... what did they do..ANSWER- NOTHING

Medi-cal paid for EVERY single vet bill that these patients occured.. what does that tell you..
that they back there product- guarentee you none of the other companies will do that.
Oh that's rich Do you have a pet that was affected by the recall?

I do. My perfectly healthy 16 year old cat was poisoned by Royal Canin/Medi-cal. They do NOT pay every single vet bill, they only pay for what they want, when they want. I had to demand compensation and then I was given a strict guideline for what they would and would not pay and how often I was allowed to have appointments. Anything outside of those guidelines I'm on my own. They also will not pay for any alternative treatments, and if not for the homeopathic treatments she wouldn't be be here today, they'll only pay for western medicine and what does that do for a kidney failure cat? - nothing, the wait and see approach - that's what they are willing to pay for.
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