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If this is the case, then there's much hypocricy. Many members, both old and new, have purchased pets from responsible breeders, byb, and puppymills via pet stores.
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Now I do have to go. I have a kitty to feed and give sub-qs to.
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Actually, after having been here for about 3 years...yes, I do. I think most people here (those who post anyways) are pro S/N...they may beleive in delayed S/N for various reasons (as I do), but I think most beleive that unless you are a reputable ethical breeder (at the very least), then your pets should be snipped at some point (as mine are). And I think that most people (likely because it kind of goes hand in hand with the S/N issue) are also anti-byb (once they learn what it is). I think most people, given time to think about/research/ask questions about matters pertaining to food, want to do the best thing for their animals as much as they are able to within their financial means. I don't think the MAJORITY are completely anti-breeder, though, only a vocal few.
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I think what some members would like is for all breeding to stop until all the animals in shelters are helped..My personal wish is that we could atleast get rid of the puppymills and byb's..i think that would go along way to help the situation. |
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For the regular members who are reading this (I know you are ) please correct me if I'm wrong. May I just add I am impressed as all get out that we have made it to page 6 without any major b****h slapping. 'Course now that I've said that we won't make page 7.
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One thing I'd like to point out is that the "rudeness" that is spoken about from the more senior members isn't something that just pours forth because someone joins the board with a different view. I've sat back and watched how it develops and almost without fail the initial reponses to the breeding quesitons, etc are calm and just explain the board's view on spay/neuturing or give some simply advice. When the OP starts to post things that are defensive then you see the members get a little snarky.
This is the reason I think many of these threads are started by trolls. You can see the baiting of the members and eventually the anger comes out. And, no (forget who posted it earlier), senior members aren't allowed to get away with rudeness, Marko and the mods shut down the threads all the time when things get out of hand. It's not like they allow members to just post whatever they want and ignore it. And given this is a pro spay/neuter board I think members should be able to state their views clearly. It wouldn't make sense, for instance, for someone who is a Liberal to join a Conservative message board and think if they start posting all sorts of things pertaining to the Liberal party that it isn't going to stir things up. All message boards have a theme running throughout them and that's what creates the whole feel of the board and makes it home for many members.
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Terrific!!! Very well said!!
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I just went back and read the opening post. Talk about threadjacking!! This thread has gotten so far off course it's hilarious!! But I think it's helped clear the air a little.
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Gosh has this thread ever developed into something I never imagined! I haven't been able to come on all day but was shocked to see how many more responses there have been! It's great... I love open, polite conversation!
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I don't think anyone here would hold it "against" someone because they purchased their pup from a BYB, pet store, etc. we all make mistakes... I think as long as we learn from them and become educated, it's all good. We have all made mistakes. That being said, if we had a user join that learned how terrible pet stores are etc. and continued to support this after everything they learned on here but decided not to care... we might be a bit upset and somewhat hold them against that.
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Just wanted to mention that i have been watching this thread and I'll post in it again at some point.
thx - Marko
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Also, is not a defensive reaction pretty natural if you feel you are under attack?
I think that’s the point we’ve been trying to make. Do we not have the right to stand up for our rights too or are they moot? Is it only the OP that has a right to accuse and take things the wrong way? There have indeed been threads where things have taken a turn for the worse. Our words have been so totally taken out of context as to make their original meaning obsolete to anyone but the person who wrote them. The wording has been twisted and turned until “we” look guilty even though they were written with complete innocence. In some cases we have been told we said things which we absolutely did not. We all know threads like that. Do we then stand by and say “Oh that’s ok. S/he’s a newbie and will learn.”? Tolerance is a great thing. I suppose we should all try to be more tolerant. But then we probably all would have to take Prozac and see our world through a rose coloured haze. No offense to those that do. Some days I wish I could. You don’t have to be in rescue to see the reality of what is happening with the pet overpopulation. It’s all over. On TV, in the news, on line, everywhere. All you have to do is open your eyes. I think I have made my points as calmly and clearly as I can. It’s time for someone else to step in. I've taken up enough of this thread.
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An OP has just as much right as anyone else to their opinion. There is a difference between attacking and educating. If I sincerely try to educate and the OP bridles and comes back on the attack, I step away from the thread if I think it's a lost cause--because, after all, it's that person's right to also have their own opinions. But just because they have a different opinion than mine, I don't feel like my rights have been violated. I still hold the same opinions and will say the same thing next time. Tolerance does go a long way--intolerance of anyone's ideas is a sure-fire way to close them off to education. The world is NOT black and white--it is infinite shades of gray. The trick is finding the grays you like in common and using them to get introduced. Then the education (the change in preference of grays) begins. Until you find some way to meet face to face, you'll never get the chance to educate. Most the members here are not actively into rescue, and probably most of them were ignorant or at least blind to the problem of puppy mills and bybs when they joined, yet look how many were educated and became long-term members? Now ask how many of them would have stuck around if posts in their first thread were angry or judgmental based on little or no knowledge of their situation? Or angry in the face of their ignorance? A little knowledge can go a long way in clearing up that ignorance, but only if it's given in a way that allows them to hear it. Getting them angry is never going to promote education.
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Also, everybody has different communication skills and how they interpret a post. Some people, me included, don't like to post a lot of wordy words. Others who may interpret my posts as being abrupt and read more into what I am saying than what I intended. That is my style, get to the point immediately. I personally like posts that are the same .
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I had no idea what a puppymill was when I joined. If I'd heard the term, it just wasn't something that I had a lot of occasion to think about. Truth--even though I lived in probably the biggest puppymill county of the state. The point is, I learned, and I learned quickly.
Internet communication is difficult--someone coming in, uncertain of themselves, getting an abrupt reply, might well misinterpret and get angry. Doesn't mean abrupt is wrong--just means I might have to explain my view more clearly later. That's easy to do in person, but on a BB, you sometimes don't get that chance to discuss things later. There is so much of human conversation that comes from tone of voice and facial expression--none of that comes across on a BB. So I always try to be more careful when trying to initiate a discussion on a BB than when in person.
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Chances are too, if you don't 'take the bait', the thread will die out quickly after providing some educational guidance and remaining civil. After all, a troll who wishes to bait but doesn't find any often just goes away - but if you provoke and keep poking, they stick around for the fun. Just my |
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Easy fix: Mods and Admins come up with a standard post that members can copy/paste for a reply to new members that ask about breeding. No arguments, no abrupt posts. Make it a rule that this response must be posted.
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What a great idea. That way we can have one standard post back to the OP and nothing further, leave it at that. It wouldn't escalate into anything further.
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Just so it's crystal clear, I personally am passionate about spay/neuter. I now personally won't buy from backyard breeders. I respect the work rescuers do immensely. I am proud that rescuers post here and I am super super happy that pets get adopted because of pets.ca HOWEVER, Dave and I did not start a spay neuter website/forum or an anti-breeding site/forum or a rescue site/forum. The goal of Pets.ca has ALWAYS been general pet information. Always. The PULSE of the forum is the pulse of the forum and it probably represents the majority of active members... that's cool, no issue with that. The 'pulse' makes me proud.... So it's unlikely that breeding posters will get the information they need here. But I will never say that those members are not welcome........and again, if we are nice to them, they might actually think about what they are doing and they might rescue a pet. I've never said this before but my little Ziglet that just passed a few days ago, came from a backyard breeder 17 years ago. I did not know any better and I am the Admin of this board. I am not a stupid person, but I did NOT know the significance of that decision. I do now. There are millions of people like me. They are not the regulars on this board...but if we ever wanted them to be, this continuing trend of trying to be nicer to uneducated people (like I used to be) is 100% the way to go. I also wanted to thank the members that are trying harder
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Thanks for that post, Marko. I agree.
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Most people just shake their heads, say "that's too bad" and move on with aspects of life that are otherwise occupying their brain. Just because the info is out there (the truth is out there......) doesn't mean it has been heard. There is so much info nowadays. People are overwhelmed. For something to sink in, a lot of people do need to be told on an individual basis. People know there are bad breeders out there, but they don't know the deeper scope of the problem. They just think that breeder they saw on the news is just a "bad" breeder, and "something should be done" about the bad ones. It takes more time and energy to think about the bigger root problems, and there is a lot of competition for people's time and energy these days. I have to wonder how many of the experts on here who know all about breeders and rescues and pet foods and whatnot - would also get a sigh of exasperation themselves from professionals who work in other areas - their doctor or mechanic or lawyer or elected politicians, etc. "Don't people know ANYTHING?", etc We ALL have "blind spots". |
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Good conversation, everyone!
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I don't think someone who is looking for breeding info will find what they are looking for here.
Yep, yep they will. We do have breeders, or people who used to breed, here now. They have and will answer breeding questions.
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