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Old October 27th, 2015, 02:33 PM
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Hi, this is my first time posting.

I'm at my wits end, my dog eats grass and then throws up the grass and white foam, every morning. This has been going on for a year, she has had all the meds, anti acid meds, blood tests, ultrasound, liver test....everything comes back normal. The only thing left is to scope her.

She is a really picky eater, have tried the home cooked meals, she doesn't like wet dog food, I've had her on different foods....to see if it's allergies, right now she is on a dry salmon kibble....no grains. I have also started probiotics 2 days ago. The vet wants me to try the medi cal Vegetarianian food, my dog won't touch it.

Is there anyone out there going through this? Or have answers?
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Old October 27th, 2015, 04:55 PM
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Unfortunately, scoping is the only way they can diagnose something like Inflammatory Bowel Disease, or infections like H Pylori. My girl has IBD, and not much really shows up in her bloodwork. Her albumin will be low normal, and that has to be watched in a low IBD dog.

There may be gut infections that don't show up on tests, many vets will try a trial of antibiotics, which sounds like you may have done. Btw, a lot of dogs will throw up and be sick with the anti-acid meds, so I would be careful with those.

What brand food were you feeding, and what brand food are you feeding now?
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Old October 28th, 2015, 12:57 AM
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She is on holistic select digestive health support, salmon and anchovy & sardine, dry kibble. It's grain free and poultry free, we thought maybe she was allergic to poultry.

It all started with a bout of pancreatitis and intestinal infection about 8 months ago. That's why the low fat diet, but she won't eat any of the medi cal food.
The probiotics have done nothing so far.

Is the scope hard on the dog? I feel bad, she is at the vets every week.
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Old October 28th, 2015, 01:00 AM
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I should also tell you, she is on thyroid medication. I can't name all the foods she's been on, long list of different ones.
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Old October 28th, 2015, 12:54 PM
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We had a very ill dog--nearly at death's door--and they scoped him. Took an intestinal biopsy while he was under, too, and we were able to diagnose him with inflammatory bowel disease. He came through the scoping well.

How old is your girl?
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Old October 28th, 2015, 06:06 PM
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She will be 10 in January. What do you do for IBD?
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Old October 29th, 2015, 01:19 AM
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Do you know what type of infection it was and what drug(s) were used to treat it?

What probiotics are you uing?

Some dogs can't tolerate processed foods after having pancreatitis. Typically they do best on the single protein foods. What type of homecooked diet did you try? What type of dog? Size/weight? I suspect that this is still related to the pancreas issue.

Any history of tick exposure, lyme disease, etc?
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Old October 29th, 2015, 08:39 AM
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She was at the vets on IV for 2 days when she first got sick, we have tested her again and her pancreas is fine. The home cooked diet is from the Hilary's blend recipes. I tried a couple.....but my dog is super picky, unfortunately a lot of the low fat diets have peas, which she will not eat.
The probiotics is the one the vet game me, ...fortiflora (purina)
My dog is a mutt, has beagle and a couple other breeds in her. She is medium size and weighs 38lbs.
She is on once a month tick and flea prevention.

She woke me up again this morning, outside to eat grass and then throw up! I must state though, it's NOT bile, no yellow color. It is strictly the grass she ate and white foam.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 11:14 AM
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She will be 10 in January. What do you do for IBD?
In Evan's case, they put him on a high dose of prednisone to knock back the inflammation and we fed him a hypoallergenic diet. Eventually, we were able to control it through diet alone, but the only thing that worked were those awful formula diets. Purina HA was the only one out at the time, then Hills put out their ZD formula a few months later. We found that a mix of the two worked best for Evan--the HA alone was too bland; the ZD alone had too much flavor; a mix of the two was about right...

This was more than a decade ago, so there may be better formulations out there now.

Having said that, though--vomiting every morning wouldn't necessarily mean IBD. Evan also had chronic diarrhea and, at his sickest, tarry black stools when the intestinal bleeding was bad. He couldn't maintain weight, even on the meds--he should have been about 65 lbs but we could never get him above 50, or at best, 55. Is your girl showing any similar symptoms?
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Old October 29th, 2015, 11:46 AM
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No diarrhea, stools are good. When she first got sick, yes she had it.
Think I'm going to get her scoped. No other tests left for her to have. If that shows up nothing.....my last resort will be to take all food away and try one food source at a time, home made.
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Just out of curiosity, how many times a day is she fed? Have you ever tried feeding her a small meal closer to bedtime? Dogs (or, at least, our dogs ) will eat grass and throw it back up in the mornings if they're particularly hungry. Giving them one of their meals later in the day helped us with that problem.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 09:59 PM
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I had dogs eat grass when they didn't feel good ,they were trying to made their self vomit. Has the grass been treated with any kind of chemicals ?
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Old October 29th, 2015, 10:20 PM
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She always has food in her dish, i try to make her eat at night.....and always get something in her stomach. She is right off her food today, maybe eaten a quarter of what she should. Maxi is not a good eater, always been picky. Right now i can get Poached Cod into her and thats about it. Which is not balanced in any way. I am so frusterated.....don't know what to do.

Oh, the grass hasn't been treated with any chemicals.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 10:56 AM
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I know how frustrating it is to have an ailing dog and not have any answers as to what the problem is. I hope she gets some of her appetite back soon.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 04:28 PM
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hello Maximou
Welcome to the forum.
We had a cat that had the irritable bowel trouble for years. We understand how frustrating it can be. At the time our cat was sick, scoping was just new in the field and we'd have had to go to Wisconsin to get it done at the university.
We were fortunate though to find a vet who is classified today as an interactive vet - does both allopathic and alternative medicines. And set up a protocol of a diet designed for carnivore and alternative medicines that worked out quite well.
It might be worth your while to get another opinion from an interactive vet in your area before having the procedure done. Just to see if there is some other way of treating the dog, other than putting it through more stress from the procedure.
Most of these problems result from processed pet food companies - ie , kibbles and canned food, fed over years. Vets that I've known have said that the prescription diets only work about 50% of the time, so it's kind of a hit and miss method at best.
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I think the scope is worthwhile however it struck me when you said fortiflora. Our dog was on that but I have found a holistic vet that makes a really amazing probiotic. It is called Gut sense made by Dr. Peter Dobias out of Vancouver. It is expensive but sometimes he has 20% off sale so that is when I stock up. This probiotic is expensive but it is the best quality supplement out there. I think it is even better than any quality human probiotic. This probiotic has changed our life. Our girl threw up and had diarrhea most of her life. We were always getting metronidazole from the vet and trying new foods. I currently home cook and give one of these probiotics every day. It took about 3 months to see results but it has been amazing. Our dog is a 17 year old senior and her gut has never been better. I wish I had found this probiotic long ago because it has made her and my life so much better and now here we are at the end of her life.
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I'm not a fan of the forti-flora: http://fortiflorafordogs.com/usage.html - E. faecium can sometimes become pathogenic. I've had good luck with the mercola pet probiotics - haven't used the one that SW mentions, but it's worth trying.

I would try some things like l-glutamine, slippery elm or marshmallow, and digestive enzymes.

I would also homecook, and see if you can find a tolerated protein, as well as some kind of steamed veggie. I like green beans, but dogs with peanut sensitivities might not be able to tolerate it.
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Old November 9th, 2015, 05:26 PM
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Update

Thank you all for your ideas and concern.

Maxi had exploratory surgery on Friday, it's Monday today and she is still in hospital. She has cancer, that was the hardest thing to hear! I have been reading non-stop on what to do. I just talked to vet and they are very concerned about her platelets, very very low. The vet has gone to talk to a specialist and look at a smear, promised she will get back to me tonight.

It is now time for us to decide how long this should go on, is there going to be any quality of life for our girl? This has been one of the most heart wrenching times in our lives.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 12:06 AM
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I'm so very sorry to hear about the cancer. Cancer sucks What type is it?

You might look into doxycycline perhaps, depending on the cancer. It can sometimes help with platelets, and has some anti-cancer properties. If the cancer is lymphoma, there may be more going on too.
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Sorry about the cancer diagnosis.
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