Solid Gold Wolf King ingredients change!

[SuperWanda]

So - I just got the new Solid Gold pamphlet in the mail and it looks like the ingredients have changed for the Solid Gold Wolf King:

Although the bag I have is still the old version.

Here is the new version from the pamphlet:

Bison, Salmon Meal, Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Millet, Cracked Pearled Barley, Rice Brain, Canola Oil, Tomato Pomace, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Salmon Oil, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Dried Chicory Root, Parsley Flakes, Pumpkin Meal, Almond Oil, Sesame Oil, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Thyme, Blueberries, Cranberries, Carrots, Broccoli, Vitamins and Minerals.

They actually have Rice Brain listed - how do they exactly extract the brain from the rice - must be difficult?

[SuperWanda]

Now that I look - the hund-n-flocken is different too:

Lamb, Lamb Meal, Ocean Fish Meal, Brown Rice, Millet, Cracked Pearled Barley, Canola Oil, Tomato Pomace, Rice Bran, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Salmon Oil, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Dried Chicory Root, Amaranth, Parsley Flakes, Spearmint, Almond Oil, Sesame Oil, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Kelp, Thyme, Blueberries, Cranberries, Apples, Lentils, Quinoa, Vitamins and Minerals.

Wow - some healthy looking stuff! I just cooked up some quinoa for the first time the other night and wondered if it would be a good grain for dogs - a little expensive but a very complete protein source - for a grain!

[technodoll]

wow... they're actually downgrading their ingredients?... doesn't look too spectacular anymore...

Bison, Salmon Meal, Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Millet, Cracked Pearled Barley, Rice Brain, Canola Oil, Tomato Pomace, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Salmon Oil, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Dried Chicory Root, Parsley Flakes, Pumpkin Meal, Almond Oil, Sesame Oil, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Thyme, Blueberries, Cranberries, Carrots, Broccoli, Vitamins and Minerals.

One meat source: salmon meal
Followed by 5 grains (mmmm rice brain!)
then the other meat source (bison, when you take the moisture out, it falls behind the list..)
canola oil is not the best
tomato pomace is not a good ingredient
natural flavor... what is that??
...and then the other ingredients are in such small quantities (since after the 1st source of fat) that they offer practically no benefits other than flavorings... if anything is left after all that cooking process.

sounds pretty expensive for a very grainy kibble IMO. and some not-so-great ingredients in there now. hmmm. guess they can get away with it now, since they're riding on a "good reputation" and who looks at & dissects ingredients anyways? well except people like us, LOL!

[SuperWanda]

I agree with you on the Wolf King - I actually just e-mailed them to ask what the Natural Flavor is. I also asked what the amount (in pounds) of meat they use compared to grain.

I think the Hund-N-Flocken looks better though - with the three first ingredients. Don't like the tomato pomace either but there could be worse things I guess.

I'll let you know what their response is regarding the natural flavour.

[technodoll]

be sure to also ask them what "Ocean Fish Meal" is... if the source is not identified (sardine meal, salmon meal, etc) then it's a questionable ingredient... aka "mystery meat"

[SunGurl372]

Prin's not going to be too pleased....

[technodoll]

yeah but still not a reason to stop feeding it. IMO, there is a LOT of competition out there now and companies should be upgrading their ingredients, not the other way around.

with all the money SG is making though... you'd think they would hire a proofreader for the literature they send out! their website has not been updated yet re: new ingredients.

all kidding aside... i wonder why they felt the recipe needed a change?

[Puppyluv]

The changes don't seem that different, Looking at ingredients before the canola oil (which was always included) the only difference is that oatmeal is now the most prominent grain, and if you look immediately after the oil, tomato pomace and natural flavors are added. How much of a difference does switching a grain and then changing the final ingredients make?

[technodoll]

i guess it,s about playing with the "purity" of the ingredients. other kibbles are now more on par if you compare the overall formula. why did they add tomato pomace and "natural flavor" if the original recipe was good to begin with? it's just cheap additions... no nutritional value. you know?

[Puppyluv]

Originally Posted by technodoll

i guess it,s about playing with the "purity" of the ingredients. other kibbles are now more on par if you compare the overall formula. why did they add tomato pomace and "natural flavor" if the original recipe was good to begin with? it's just cheap additions... no nutritional value. you know?

True, but like you said, I don't think it quanitfies a change in foods. If I was already feeding it, I wouldn't change just because of this.

[SuperWanda]

Looks like all the formulas are different - comparing the old and new pamphlets. Adding the same new stuff they have added to the wolfking and hund-n-flocken.

I'll send another e-mail about the ocean fish meal - never thought about that - thanks!

[technodoll]

I don't think it quanitfies a change in foods. If I was already feeding it, I wouldn't change just because of this.

i never said this... read below, i said

but still not a reason to stop feeding it. IMO, there is a LOT of competition out there now and companies should be upgrading their ingredients, not the other way around.

just trying to be objective.

[Puppyluv]

Originally Posted by technodoll

i never said this... read below, i said

just trying to be objective.

huh? what did you mean by "yeah but still not a reason to stop feeding it." then?

[technodoll]

i meant "yeah not a reason to stop feeding it".

i don't see what you don't see?

the addition of the new ingredients is not a reason to stop feeding the kibble. maybe i should use more words

[rainbow]

We discussed the "pomace" ingredients a little while ago. Tomato pomace isn't bad but I wonder why they added it?

Not a big enough diff to stop feeding it IMO although "rice brain" sounds kinda yucky.

[doggy lover]

Prin I was looking up those pet foods and Natural Balance does contain tomato pomace, is that not one of the ingredients that we were trying to stay away from? Anyways I think I'll sto at Pet Value on the way home from the vets and have a look at the Canidae and Innova, see if they have samples to let Tucker try, he still has about 1\2 a large bag of H&F so I have time to introduce a different kind to him. I'm going to take the names you gave me to the vet and ask which one he would think is better, I'll print off their ingredients for him to look at.

[Scott_B]

Which NB formula where you looking at? The venison and sweet potato & Fish dont have it?

[doggy lover]

INGREDIENT LISTING
Chicken, Brown Rice, Duck, Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Pearled Barley, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols - source of Vitamin E, Citric Acid, and Rosemary Extract), Natural Flavor, Tomato Pomace, Canola Oil, Brewers Yeast, Lecithin, Choline Chloride, Carrots, Potassium Chloride, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Dried Kelp, Sodium Chloride, Parsley Flakes, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplements, Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C), Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, L-Lysine, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Inositol, Folic Acid (Vitamin B-9), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), D-Activated Animal Sterol (source of Vitamin D-3), Biotin, Ethylene Diamine Dihydriodide (source of Iodine), Cobalt Sulfate, Vitamin K1 Supplement, Sodium Selenite.

This is the ingredients from the regular blend its there, anyways I picked up the Canidae from pet value and I'm going to try that.
Tucker has put on a little weight (he was 56 and is now 61lbs big boy for a BC) and his vet doesn't want him to gain more so he will be cut down a little on his food. Other than that he if perfectly healthy, and the vet said he is beautiful. So all is well till next year.

[Scott_B]

Ahh, yes the reg formula.

Anyhoo, for Canidae. Its a great food imo.

[rainbow]

Canidae is a good choice. Glad Tucker got a from the vet.

[doggy lover]

Yep he had a good day, kept him busy mind and body. First a ride in my sisters car to vet, seen vet, walked to the pet value checked out all the doggy stuff in store. Got the new food and a new bone, walked to park, had a romp in the park and got a TTC bus home. It has tired him out, just a little. Maybe he will go to bed before 11 pm tonight. Here is a pic of Tucker today, he is a big boy now.