Now My Dog is a Pitbull and has to die?

[babyrocky1]

Hey everyone dont forget to cc Peter Kormos as well or Howard Hampton! Also Emails are good but letters carry more weight. I dont know how much good any communication with Bryant will be, well actually I do know but are you thinking that this is a necessary step in the process Jen? The fact that innocent dogs and their familys are already suffering may be enough to get some debate going in the house again but Bryant hates pit bulls or dogs that look like pit bulls. He points to citys with bans as good examples! Im happy to do it but I don't understand the strategey. I just flipped back to your post Happy Cats, excellent Idea, the child psychologist!

[LittleLoves]

I can't believe this is happening!

I sent an email to that Micheal Bryant guy, but I'm in New Brunswick, does it matter? Would have sent an email to the opposition along with it but I don't know who that would be.

Jen, you ARE a hero.

[JenSteele]

Writing Bryant shows the number of people who have tried to get him to see the other side and he just ignored him. Writing the others, will definitely bring it forward. But yes to hand write him, and the others is even better. Sorry, I'm new to this and learning as I go.

Having proof that he's refusing to listen to the issues is a good thing. It makes him look publicly like he has an agenda brewing instead of knowing the issue.

Alex Pierson CityTV has been officially banned from Bryants office since she tricked him into picking a pitbull out of a lineup of dogs.. he was coached already on the infamous pitbull line up and picked #15 like he was told to do. Alex knew he was coached and said "That would be the right one if this was the same sheet you were coached on but we moved all the pictures around" and challanged him to find the pitbull. This was all on Camera. So, she has a real nasty on over this BSL issue and for Bryant. The rep from the DLCC said she'll be contacting us shortly.

Doctor Gary Goeree said he's pitbulled out. He talked to us for over an hour and gave us a lot of coaching for how to beat the pannel, especially the person posing as a CKC member. We'll be posting all that on the savinglily.com website. The poor man has been through years of fighting this and being "summoned" to the Death Pannel 3 times. His spirit is completely broken.

The hacked up cut bad editing report that CKCO TV in Kitchener put out is here... http://www.savinglily.com/ckcointerview.rm It's a Real Audio File. That's Sandra on there. I was busy with the webmasters and arranging more interviews.

Sandra did her best to get the facts across unfortunately like I said they edited the hell out of the interview with her. Notice too, for a little chuckle, the clip they choose to show of Lily "sitting" in front of Sandra... it's a clip of our dog peeing. They keep the peeing in and the facts out. Welcome to Kitchener. Have to love dealing with professionals eh? But doesn't Lily play a nice game of fetch? At one point she tried to give the ball to the camera man.

We're all really exhausted. The webmasters are doing a wonderful job on the site and have been working around the clock side by side with us. They just finished another series of photos of Lily. tronserver.com has donated the server and all of the bandwidth we require. They gave it to us until the entire legislation has been changed and said we could keep running it to assist people around the world who are facing the same issues. tronserver.com are not even in Canada.. they're in California. Amazing.

Sandra has a meeting with a printing company tomorrow who have volunteered to make lawn signs with Lily's face on it and the website address. Hopefully that will go well.

A bunch of our neighbours came over today after seeing Sandra on the news and offered their support. They had an impromptu pot-luck and forced us to sit down and eat... completely didn't realize it's been over 48 hours since I had a 1/2 a bagel with cream cheese.

They've all vowed to show up on Lily's trial date which should be June 27th. Could everyone please spread the word to anyone who can make it on that day. It's not a protest, it's just happens to be a BUNCH of people walking their dogs at the same time and taking a nice peaceful break at City Hall by the fountain talking about legislation and hopefully with "Get Your Bark On about BSL" t-shirts which we're still working on getting donated or cheap. A small warning, if you have a pitbull the city of kitchener may lock it up. Remember the dog isn't the "protestor" so we ask that you don't risk your dog going through any tradgedy and bring a tonne of water and a raincoat, weather here goes either way

PLEASE let us know by emailing info@savinglily.com

After speaking with everyone who works with us, everyone has agreed to shut our business down and work non stop on this. Everyone said if the Mayor doesn't care that an entire business is going to move out of the city, then we're all going to save these dogs.

That's all I have for today.. I'm sure there will be more tomorrow. Thank-you all again soooooooooooooooo much, with every comment and suggestion you make you know in your heart that your helping to save lives.

Jen

[chico2]

Jen,I eagerly watched CKOC news,but the"interview"was very short,anybody seeing it would definetly not get the whole tragic story.
It was funny that Lily decided to pee and they showed it she was just trying to tell them how she feels about them.
The Rep from the K-W HS said it's now up to the City..which surprises me,would not HS fight for an animals life,as was the case of Bandit the Lab/PitX(who had attacked a child).I believe Bandit is still at the Toronto HS.
I realize each HS have their own agenda,but I also believe they could refuse to euthanize..and fight this by-law if they had the animals welfare as their priority.
Could the OSPCA help?

[JenSteele]

We contacted the OSPCA who have spoken out against the legislation. They don't intervene with HS chapters unless they've violated the law. Now the KWHS has been investigated twise by the OSPCA and have been fined at least once.

Here's an interesting inside fact we found out yesterday somewhat annonymously. Ward McAlister was told if he ever mentions the word bitpull in a council meeting again he would be banned from council meetings and if he pressed the issue of BSL not being past, he may resign. We were told this by sympathic council people who are also in fear of their jobs if they speak out. We were also told that anyone attempting to raise any issue about the pitbull ban in Kitchener at a public council meeting will be escorted out of the meeting. Essentially the Corporation of the City of Kitchener has the abililty to silence the Humane Society, silence the Vetranarians, silence their own councilmen and silence the media.

Berry Vrbanovic, the councilman who spoke in the CKCO interview was parimount in having the BSL legislation past in Kitchener. It is interesting to me that the city would let him speak when he's a primary target, unless somebody is setting him up to fall. Here's the point of law we're searching for now. We believe that the goverment has a legal responsibility that they must fully disclose all information and fully disclose if any previous information supplied for legislation was false. I'm told it's a criminal offence if they don't.

[Copper'sMom]

Jen, I saw the interview on the news too and I was quite disappointed on how they reported it. It certainly didn't tell the whole story!

[Schwinn]

You definitely want to pass this info on to any groups that are helping you. I believe both the DLCC and Advocates for the Underdog have been working with lawyers, so they will be able to tell you how to proceed with this information. Also, make sure you mention it to Alex when you talk to her. She probably won't be able to report it as it is heresay, but she could certainly make some people feel uncomfortable questioning them about it. You're doing awesome. Things sound like they are going well (considering), and I hope is only encouraging you more. I know I'm feeling pumped just reading about it!

[canine14]

Jen/Sandra,

Your girl is one lucky dog to have such a devoted, loving human like you. I don't care what breed a dog is; they have to be evaluated individually. I just met a nasty Sheltie. Amazing how in today's day and age we can stilll find targets for our stupidity and we can still stereotype ... only now it's animals. Argh.

[JenSteele]

The Radio interview has been reschedule to 11:05 AM today.

[Copper'sMom]

Originally Posted by JenSteele

The Radio interview has been reschedule to 11:05 AM today.

Thanks! I tuned in but didn't hear anything!

[Copper'sMom]

Anyone listening?? There will be another segment next week!! These guys(Steve Barker and i forget the other guy) she's talking to sure like to beat around the bush! Why can't people just give a staight answer??

[JenSteele]

Here is a draft letter for you. PLEASE sign it.


The Honorable Michael Bryant MPP
803 St. Clair Avenue W,
Toronto, ON, M6C 1B9

Dear Sir,

We beseech you as the Attorney General of the Province of Ontario, Canada to enact emergency legislation that will immediately force an injunction to stop all Breed Specific Legislation across municipalities, in specific, The City of Kitchener, Ontario, Canada, The City of Windsor, Ontario, Canada, and the City of Brantford, Ontario, Canada due to the following facts and points of law:

1. To date, personnel that have been contacted who are charged with the initial identification of a dog as of the pitbull breed have refused repeatedly to disclose any information with regard to their federally approved training as required by federal law in identifying this specific breed, which should be available upon public inquiry.
2. Canadian Federal Law stipulates that the Canadian Kennel Club are the only federally recognized body to legally determine the breed of a dog.
3. In accordance with the Canadian Kennel Club and the Veterinary Medical Association of Canada, due to lack of data federally required to determine a dog to be of a specific breed, there are no certified personnel legally recognized who are able to properly identify a dog as a pitbull or as pitbull-like in appearance in Canada and that even a CKC member does not have enough knowledge of this breed to identify any dog as being of the pitbull breed or family of the pitbull breed.
4. Because there are no such federally certified personnel, there are no federal, provincial or municipal pitbull breed identifiers who can identify the breed sitting in the organizations of the people charged to uphold the BSL by-laws nor sitting on the appeal boards who review cases nor sitting on City councils who enforce appeal decisions.
5. Veterinarians who have sat on the appeal board in Kitchener have given an estimate that 40% of the dogs being identified as pitbulls are incorrect identifications of the by-law enforcement organizations, and at least 2/3s of the appeal boards are not people federally recognized to legally determine the breed of a dog. As the appeal board requires a majority decision, this decision cannot be made without federally recognized personnel who can properly determine the breed in question.
6. The method by which a dog is identified upon appeal requires the owner to produce paper evidence of the dog's lineage and does not require burden of proof for the by-law enforcement organization that placed the designation or accusation upon the dog. However the majority of dog owners in Canada, in Ontario, and the cities as listed, who own mixed breeds are not able to produce such evidence as many of these dogs have been rescued and adopted via private shelters, via the Humane Society Chapters and via private breeders.
7. A law which requires evidence that cannot be produced by the majority of defendants is a law that shows bias and all biased laws must be revoked in order to maintain the validity of all Canadian law at every level of Government.
8. A law that does not put the burden of proof upon the accuser is a law that is in violation of the principals of Canadian law wherein all shall be innocent until proven guilty. The law reads “to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal”. Additionally many of the appeal boards include people sitting on that board that for personal reasons have an agenda against the pitbull breed or have spoken out in a public manner against pitbull breeds and therefore cannot be deemed to be impartial and therefore not ensuring a method of gathering that ensures the fundamentals of Canadian law are upheld.
9. There is no method in place that allows the defender of the dogs to challenge the bias of members sitting on the appeal boards during the appeal process or in the city councils and therefore bias may exist unchallenged which is against the fundamental principals of Canadian Law.
10. There is no method in place that allows the defender of the dogs to challenge the experience, certification, knowledge, licensing, and federal approval of the members sitting on the appeal boards during the appeal process or in the city councils and therefore there is no proven expertise which exists to enforce the law or defend against the law, which is against the fundamental principals of Canadian Law.

In the interest that you are charged with ensuring all laws passed in the Province of Ontario are based on factual evidence, enforced in methods that are in compliance with federal law, and uphold the principals of Canadian Law, and in consideration of the above points of law and fact, we ask you immediately impose this emergency legislation forcing the injunction of all BSL by-laws in the province of Ontario, Canada.

We respectly ask that you entiled this the Lily Legislation, named after a dog wrongfully identified, despite Canadian Federal Laws, by non-federally certified personnel in the City of Kitchener Ontario Canada under by-law c530 of the Corporation of the City of Kitchener By-Laws.

Thank-you for your time. I look forward to your response. Kindly respond in writing to the address supplied below my signature.

Sincerely;

Your Name
Your Address


FAX this letter to 1-519-742-6907. In Ontario, letters addressed to MPPs DO NOT require postage if sent by an Ontario Resident which is what we are. We will then take your fax, and mail it to Michael Bryant as well all MPPS not in support of the BSL, and all local Kitchener Council and MPs not in support of the BSL and all organizations fighting to stop the BSL..

PLEASE, this is specifically important for ALL residents of Ontario and Canada to send this letter! For anyone not in Canada your letter matters just as much because it helps the government and organizations understand the amount of world-wide support this issue has.

Thanks!!!!
Jen

[JenSteele]

Fax Number Is 1-519-742-0992 Sorry

[kellyla]

I heard the interview and you were great.That one guy couldnt/wouldnt give you a straight answer.Typical politician.I will be tuning in next week when you are on again and they are discussing BSL.

[JenSteele]

I'd love to take credit for the quick thinking and smart questions. That was Sandra who did the interview. And yes, it went over quite well. We'll post in here as soon as we know what the date and time of the next interview will be.

[JenSteele]

In the Interview.. just for clarification, Steve Barker is the representative of the DLCC who have been working very hard to have this issue brought to the public. Steve is dedicated to the abolishment of all BSLs in Canada.

The one who had no idea what he was talking about even though he was parimount in getting the BSL by-law in Kitchener passed is City of Kitchener Councilman Berry Vrbanovic the same guy who lied on CKCO about the appeal board being represented properly.

[Schwinn]

Any transcripts, or anyone want to provide a summary?

[JenSteele]

The entire interview is here : http://www.savinglily.com/AM900interview.mp3

[JenSteele]

Fatal Dog Attacks Leading to the death of a child - Canada: 1983 - 2003

1983 (2) Farm Dogs Roaming dogs kill child (Edmonton)
1987 (1) German Shep X Chained dog attacked child (Vernon)
1988 (1) German Shep Unsupervised child (Quebec)
1990 (1) Chow Chow Attack on newborn (Ontario)
1993 (1) Sled dogs Chained dogs kill child (N.W.T.)
1993 (5) Sled dogs Attacked by loose dogs (Alberta)
1994 (1) Maremma Sheepdog Family dog killed child (Ontario)
1995 (2) Am Staffs Drunken man provoked dogs (Ontario)
1995 (2) German Sheps Killed by uncle's dogs (Saskatchewan)
1996 (?) Strays Child killed by stray dogs (Manitoba)
1997 (1) Sled dog Chained dog w/pups (Saskatchewan)
1998 (?) Sled dogs Pack chained on sea ice (Iqaluit)
1998 (1) Bullmastiff Playing w/neighbor's dog (Ontario)
1998 (8) Lab/Huskies Xs Mother & son killed by pack (Newfoundland)
1998 (6) Strays Boy killed by strays (Manitoba)
1999 (1) Husky X Neighbor's dog (British Columbia)
1999 (1) Husky One of 24 chained dogs (Quebec)
1999 (1) Husky X Grandfather's dog (N.W.T.)
1999 (?) Strays Girl killed by starving dogs (Alberta)
2002 (2) Lab X & Rott Attacked in field (Ontario)
2003 (3) Rottweilers Boy wandered into yard (New Brunswick)
2003 (4) German Shep Xs Grandmother's dogs (Manitoba)

[twodogsandacat]

Originally Posted by JenSteele

Fatal Dog Attacks Leading to the death of a child - Canada: 1983 - 2003

1983 (2) Farm Dogs Roaming dogs kill child (Edmonton)
1987 (1) German Shep X Chained dog attacked child (Vernon)
1988 (1) German Shep Unsupervised child (Quebec)
1990 (1) Chow Chow Attack on newborn (Ontario)
1993 (1) Sled dogs Chained dogs kill child (N.W.T.)
1993 (5) Sled dogs Attacked by loose dogs (Alberta)
1994 (1) Maremma Sheepdog Family dog killed child (Ontario)
1995 (2) Am Staffs Drunken man provoked dogs (Ontario)
1995 (2) German Sheps Killed by uncle's dogs (Saskatchewan)
1996 (?) Strays Child killed by stray dogs (Manitoba)
1997 (1) Sled dog Chained dog w/pups (Saskatchewan)
1998 (?) Sled dogs Pack chained on sea ice (Iqaluit)
1998 (1) Bullmastiff Playing w/neighbor's dog (Ontario)
1998 (8) Lab/Huskies Xs Mother & son killed by pack (Newfoundland)
1998 (6) Strays Boy killed by strays (Manitoba)
1999 (1) Husky X Neighbor's dog (British Columbia)
1999 (1) Husky One of 24 chained dogs (Quebec)
1999 (1) Husky X Grandfather's dog (N.W.T.)
1999 (?) Strays Girl killed by starving dogs (Alberta)
2002 (2) Lab X & Rott Attacked in field (Ontario)
2003 (3) Rottweilers Boy wandered into yard (New Brunswick)
2003 (4) German Shep Xs Grandmother's dogs (Manitoba)

I've posted these before also but the latest is .....three year old Cody Fontaine in British Columbia in 2004...Rottis and Sheepdog - who did the killing wasn't proven to the best of my knowledge but the mother was a real piece of work.

Jen you are doing an awesome job here. Maybe I'll take a day of in June and try and attend.

[babyrocky1]

[QUOTE=JenSteele]Alex Pierson CityTV has been officially banned from Bryants office since she tricked him into picking a pitbull out of a lineup of dogs.. he was coached already on the infamous pitbull line up and picked #15 like he was told to do." I know your bombarded right now with info Jen, but I just wanted to clarify that one statement. Alex was ACCUSED by BRyant of trying to trick him, but the reality was that she caught him cheating. The Pit bull quiz is and has been all over the internet, realising this, she had the graphics teem move the order of the pictures around, just incase, which turned out to be a good thing cause he picked number sixteen, without hesitation. Number sixteen was were the pitbull was before the pictures were moved. So she didn't trick him, she prevented him from cheating, which he tried to do and was caught on camera, much to the delight of all of us that watched over and over again!

[twodogsandacat]

[QUOTE=babyrocky1]

Originally Posted by JenSteele

The Pit bull quiz is and has been all over the internet, realising this, she had the graphics teem move the order of the pictures around, just incase, which turned out to be a good thing cause he picked number sixteen, without hesitation. Number sixteen was were the pitbull was before the pictures were moved. So she didn't trick him, she prevented him from cheating, which he tried to do and was caught on camera, much to the delight of all of us that watched over and over again!

Exactly. When Alex asked Out of all these dogs, can you tell me which one the pit bull is?

He did not say I don’t know, I won’t be the one to determine, or experts will do that.
He said without hesitation: 16…that one.

When Alex told him they moved it around he becomes visibly upset and calls it a neat trick but man did she earn her pay that day. He regains his composure but it was too late....he thought he had the answers to last years test, the question stayed the same but the teacher changed the order...in school that would be called cheating....not a neat trick. A liar caught in the act.

[JenSteele]

Ya gotta love when killers look like idiots... and yes I stand corrected, she did absolutely stop him from cheating, poor choice of words on my part.

Thank-you by the way to everyone who has faxed in their letters so far. We will be sending them out 25 Letters at a time. If you haven't done it don't kid yourself, BSL legislation is coming to a city near you and from all the research we did today the scariest thing we found out was that the majority of BSLs that have gone uncontested get expaned to more and more breeds. Silence in this sends a message that you accept what's happening. Don't prove Berry Vrbanovic right - he said "People agree with the legislation" and that's only because the people who vote these idiots in aren't saying whats really on their minds. Silence will kill more dogs, it's not going to stop.

PLEASE PLEASE go to www.savinglily.com and click on the link that says CLICK HERE, print out the letter with your info on it and FAX it as soon as you can. If you're the member of a dog club, get the info to them. If you're in Ontario this BSL by-law is coming, and your silence won't stop it. PLEASE get that letter filled out and FAXED in to us. We've got 6 faxed in so far. 6 will not stop this. Take it to your ball clubs, take it to your work, your favorite hang-out and don't stop talking about it. If you stop, dogs will die. PLEASE I can't say it enough, spread the word and get these letters faxed to us as soon as you can. It has to be swift, loud and public and sneak up on them before they have the chance to have those ready made answers prepared.

Thanks!
Jen

[Safyre]

Jen - Can I make one suggestion on your letter to Mr. Bryant? You have only mentioned Brampton, Windosr and Kitchener .. Waterloo needs to be mentioned as well.
While Kitchener Waterloo is connected in most things, they have thier own seperate BSL laws. Waterloo's BSL is BASICALLY the same as Kitcheners, wording is a bit different. Just thought I would mention.

[Loraxp]

Awesome job Jen!!!! Keep trucking!

Pitbulls, Stafshires, Rotties, and Mastifs are all banned from my dinky little town here in the north. There are a few people fighting the municipal by-law presently. They didn't go into the details at council about the court cases (as they knew I was present and didn't want to open a can of worms).

Count me in on helping out!! I wish I lived closer so I could do more! Best wishes and GREAT LUCK!!

[Joey.E.CockersMommy]

I sent my email to Mr. Byrant I wish you all the luck with Lily I posted her web site on another site as well. ITs mostly in the states but there is also another lab boxer owner on there.

[JenSteele]

Thanks so much for sending to Mr. Bryant, the only thing I ask is that you do it in writing and fax it to me at 1-519-742-0992 (on 24 hours), because he's required by law to respond. While I know we may all get form letters back, which is his history so far, it gives us amunition to give to the politicians opposing him that he had people on people on people trying to stop BSL and he did nothing but send a form letter out as the Attorney General of Ontario. He's already being accused of not being able to pass any legislation implying he doesn't know what he's doing. The Lily Legislation is the easiest piece that's come across his deak in a while, and it will definitely make him look like an absolute idiot if he doesn't try to pass it. And that's what we're going for so that nobody trusts anything that comes out of Micheal Bryant's mouth. I think this is the first time since I've been able to vote that I've seen so many people turn against Ontario's own Attorney General.

In answer to mentioning Waterloo, we are calling for the injunction of all BSL legislation in Ontario. Let's be clear an injuction is not a permanent stop it's a stay of execution. There is much stronger legislation that is already being drafted that then can see the light of day if we can just get an injunction but we need 1000s on 1000s on 1000s of people to start printing out the letter at http://www.savingdog.com/lilyletter.html and faxing it to us. Lily now has 31 days to be in the hearts and minds of everyone who has a TV, a Radio, a Newspaper or a computer. If at the end of the 31 days on June 27th, we haven't created the biggest media hype they've seen ever on BSL, they will forget all about this the next day.

GET YOUR BARK ON!!!!!

Jen

[JenSteele]

To answer about the BSL in Waterloo, here's an official quote:

"In April 1997, the Cities of Kitchener and Waterloo combined their Animal
Control By-law to govern both cities. "

If you kill the Kitchener by-law you kill it for both cities.

[JenSteele]

Just to keep you up to date, the website www.savelily.com is launching very shorty. Remember we have to ensure everything we say on it is backed up by fact. Dotting the I's and crossing the T's time.

Jen

[JenSteele]

Hi Everyone.. quick update on a legal conversation.

Serious Flaws with The Notice of Prohibited Dog Designation:

:the first page does not quote the by-law number or section being enforced.
:it includes a seperate page attached to the Designation that does not quote the correct By-Law Number and sub-sections and therefore misleads the defendant of the dog
:it does not include as is your entreched right under full disclosure laws in order to properly formulate a defence, a copy of all evidence brought against the dog including a copy of the original complaint report, a copy of the pictures of your dog, an outline of the proceedure used to determine that the dog is a prohibited dog and what specific traits were identified in designating your dog
: It does not, in writing, indicate anywhere what happens to your dog while you file an appeal
:it advises you that the appeal may be overturned by council but does not indicate how you appeal to council nor if you have to turn over your dog until council meets
: it does not give you your basic right to appeal a municipal decision to the province or advice you of that right
: it does not honour the Canadian right to a fair trial when charged with violation to a public and fair trial, rather it tells you that it is your job to request a hearing. In order for this to be proper it should have immediately given a trial date not told you that you have to to arrange for one.


So, while the violations to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is very obvious, in the interest of our right to forumulate a defence, we intend to demand our rights of full disclosure directly to the KW Humane Society on Monday. As well, we are entitled to anything that is public information so we will also be going directly to the Clerks Desk at City Hall and demanding to know :

1) How many appeal notices have been handed out since 1997
2) How many appeals were filed since 1997
3) How many appeals upheld the designation
4) How many appeals overturned the designation
5) How many appeals that were upheld were then appealed to City Council
6) How many appeals were overturned by City Council
7) How many appeals were upheld by City Council
8) The vote results when the BSL lesiglation was passed in Kitchener-Waterloo
9) The number of dog bites from 1997 to 2005 and the breeds involved in both Kitchener and Waterloo
10) The number of violations of the leash by-laws that were enforced
11) The number of violations of the dog at large by-laws that were enforced
12) The total number of fines issued under the breed specific legislation since 1997 and what the fines were for.
13) How many other appeals against a Notice of Prohibited Dog Designation are being held on the June 27th?
14) What are the names and address of the other people also appealing? (remember this is supposed to be a public trial and therefore this information is publicly available unless it falls under the young offenders act which it doesn't)

The KW Humane Society and City Hall will be asked verbally and then will be presented with written letter.

Thanks again for the faxes we have 57 and climbing!!!! Need 1000s!!

Jen