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meow, I am so sorry to hear about your poor kitty.
Besides all the excellent information that sugarcatmom gave you ....here is the thread that growler has ongoing about her kitty with kidney disease ...... http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread....kidney+disease |
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Depends on what the results are from the blood testing and the urine test. For example: if the BUN/urea & creatinine numbers rise rapidly but the Urine Specific Gravity is normal you may be looking at a kidney infection, kidney stones or hypertension not necessarily kidney failure. If the BUN/urea is high but the creatinine is normal you are looking at dehydration or gastro-intestinal problems. If the BUN/urea and phosphorus are high but creatinine is normal or only slightly elevated there are other issues happening in the tubes before the kidneys. BUN/urea & creatinine alone can not determine kidney failure the USG is a very important measure in kidney disease. Quote:
The Wellness Turkey, Chicken, Beef & Chicken are the lowest phos levels of the quality holistic canned foods. Sugarcatmom can advise you about how/when to use those for the etube since I have no experience with that. With any illness how the cat feels is very important in their recovery/maintenance. Sounds like she's feeling pretty good BTW What's her name?
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OMG,I am sooo proud of our kitty-gurus,you girls are amazing
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I am so, so sorry to hear about your kitty . I would report him and would be telling my old vet about him too so he doesn't send anybody else to this "dental surgeon".
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How do i do wellness in a feeding tube? How much food to how much water?
what size can of food? thank you
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I do see my kitty drinking water at her drinkwell bowl 1-2x per day. she looks like she is drinking alot of water. she is on hills i.d. food now thru the tube and is holding it down. i offer her wellness, paul newman, meow mix, fancy feast, harmony by mouth...at this point anything to get her to eat with her mouth. she eats by moouth about 1x every 6 days.
On the receipt for surgery it says Buprenex for the anthesthic. it also says ket-valo sedation. it also says isoflurane and propofol/ketamine/diazepam. all this is from the surgery receipt. then they put her on gabapentin. she stayed at the vet for 2 weeks and he would not let me visit her so i have NO idea what the was done to her in that time. I have no idea what any of these numbers mean but here they are PRE-OP: Urea Nitrogen 33 - normal range Creatine 1.9 - normal range phosphorus 3.7 - normal BUN 17 - normal range amylase 1625 - high - what is this? do you want to know anything else?? I'll post it. 2 weeks later after being held hostage at vet for 2 weeks: Urea Nitrogen 32 Creatine 3.5 - high BUN - 9 normal but low hemaocrit - 21.4 low Then I took her to the ICU hospital. They human scored blood work and said she was not anemic: CREA a little high 3.0 PHOS normal 5.0 GLOB slightly high 4.6 everything else was normal Two days ago they did a urine test. I don't have results b/c new vet called me on phone with them. urine was not concentrated. i think he said it was 1.something. he wants to re-check it when i bring her in thursday.
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i will but want to wait to see what happens
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protein/phosphorus
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http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canned.htm if i am reading this right it looks like science diet senior chicken would be the best choice. she is on Hills i.d. now which looks better than the k/d i am mixed up and overwhelmed oh the science diet is listed here http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm
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It looks like i can't just write a letter and complain. It goes through a hearing prcoess.
http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/facili...umer_guide.pdf I can't take time off from work for any hearing. I did get the dental xrays via email today and am going to take them to a real dentist for review. then i will write my letter. My cat's name is simba
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I'll leave the numbers for growler to comment on. The USG is probably the most important piece of the puzzle so hopefully you can get that value.
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Wellness is a really good food and it does have lower phosphorus than most foods (particularly the Turkey and Kitten flavours), plus it's readily available. The Innova Venison or Beef and the Felidae I mentioned above actually have even lower phosphorus levels, in case you want other options. There are some others too, like Precise in Triple Delight or Turkey or Chicken. It's important to look at more than just the phosphorus levels, the quality of the ingredients should also be a factor. Which is why even though the Science Diet choices might look good on paper, their poor quality ingredients take them out of the running. Here is a more up-to-date canned food listing showing phosphorus amounts: http://www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/CanFoodNew.html
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Sugarcatmom, I really don't think the vets read the ingredients on the food labels of what they sell. That is the only explanation I have for them to recommend this crap food.
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simba did eat the wellness fish with her mouth 1x. she has not eaten it since. i am offering her everything under the sun at each feeding. i can't make rhyme of reason of it. of course she wants the crap: meow mix. she must be a junk food eater. now that i think of it i was feeding her L/D and i wonder if that made her urine not be concentrated. something i will have to check out.
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I don't see a USG result. is that on a blood or urine test?
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I agree 100+%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was beside myself and had to take valium b/c i could not sleep or function. I was crying all the time. He said "leave her here or take her home." after all that surgery and no place else to take her i left her there. God only know what was given to her and what the was done to her in that time You have no idea how anxious and upset I was. Finally i demanded to have her and took her to the ICU hospital. It is $1,000 a night for your cat to stay that the ICU hospital (seriously)......who can afford that????? well this is CT for ya...they think everyone is rich. they sent her home with me and showed me how to tube feed and said she would get better faster with her mommy Believe me this "surgeon" has no idea who he messed with. Before I do anything I am going to a vet dentist for a 2nd opinion. This surgeon also lied to me and told me he was the only one in the state....he isn't.
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What a piece of work. I hope you have lots of documentation because unfortunately, birds of a feather not only flock together but protect each other. Save every scrap of paper. Of course the anecdotal stuff will be equally important.
Barring someone from visiting a sick pet is inhuman. It should be possible for you to get the word out, without landing yourself in legal hot water. Recommending the competition ain't against the law, is it? Good luck to your kitty. I'm sure being at home with you will make all the difference. |
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SugarCat Mom: I do not see a phosphorus level for wellness. i looked at the link you sent and also on their website. do you know. THANK YOU
Badgar: I don't think it is slandar if you are talking to one person and you state the facts. It is slander if it is send to many people or a public forum. I am told the other dentist doesn't like this guy either. Oh and yes I have saved everything including his stupid, rude emails
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Yup, it's there, just down near the bottom of the page. But here you go just in case:
Beef & Chicken 226 Chicken 219 Chicken & Herring 303 Chicken & Lobster 264 Kitten (3 oz can) 216 Salmon & Trout 248 Sardines, Shrimp & Crab 293 Turkey 200 Turkey & Salmon 299 It's in mg per 100 Kcalories instead of % of DM like the KatKarma page is. 1% DM phosphorus is roughly equivalent to around 200-240 mg/100Kcal. As for pursuing action against this vet, you might want to contact Stefani Olsen of The Toonces Project (scroll down to near the bottom for her email). She was involved in a legal battle with a vet after her cat was given a massive insulin overdose while under his care. She makes it her mission to expose veterinary negligence and might be able to give you some advice.
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That would be on the urine test results. It means urine specific gravity and indicates how well the kidneys are concentrating urine.
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I make note of when I fill the resevoir then make note of how many days it takes for her to finish just what is in the resevoir - once I see that is empty I know how many days it takes for her to drink the 2 cups. Not scientific by any means but gives a good indication of how much she's drinking and when there is an increase/decrease. Some info on Dental disease in relation to CRF: http://www.felinecrf.org/related_dis...ental_problems Quote:
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USG = Urine specific gravity, may be listed simply as specific gravity - it will be on the urine test I can give you this one: CHICKEN ......................As fed Basis,............Dry Matter............g/Per 1000 ............................%..................... Basis, %...............KCAL ME M.E. KCAL/KG.....1411.10...................5253.54.......... ..........- MOISTURE..........73.14........................-...........................- PROTEIN.............12.04....................44.83 ......................85.32 FAT...................10.96.....................40 .80.....................77.67 CARBOHYDRATES...1.74.....................6.48..... .................12.33 FIBER..................0.27.....................1. 01........................1.91 ASH....................1.85......................6 .89......................13.11 CALCIUM..............0.36.....................1.34 ........................2.55 PHOSPHORUS........0.31.....................1.15........................2.20 POTASSIUM..........0.35.....................1.30.. ......................2.48 SODIUM...............0.09.....................0.34 ........................0.64 CHICKEN & BEEF ........................As fed Basis,..........Dry Matter...........g/Per 1000 .............................%.................... Basis, %...............KCAL ME M.E. KCAL/KG.....1239.84.................5159.55............ ........- MOISTURE..........75.97.........................-.....................- PROTEIN.............11.11...................46.23. ...................89.61 FAT....................9.43....................39. 24....................76.06 CARBOHYDRATES..1.42......................5.91..... ...............11.45 FIBER..................0.26.....................1. 08......................2.10 ASH....................1.81.....................7. 53....................14.60 CALCIUM..............0.31....................1.29. .....................2.50 PHOSPHORUS........0.28....................1.17......................2.26 POTASSIUM..........0.31....................1.29... ...................2.50 SODIUM...............0.09....................0.37. .....................0.73 TURKEY ........................As fed Basis,...........Dry Matter............g/Per 1000 .............................%.................... Basis, %................KCAL ME M.E. KCAL/KG.......1397.62..................5205.29......... .............- MOISTURE............73.15.......................-..............................- PROTEIN...............12.44...................46.3 3.......................89.01 FAT.....................10.63...................39 .59.......................76.06 CARBOHYDRATES....1.67.....................6.22.... ....................11.95 FIBER...................0.27.....................1 .01..........................1.93 ASH.....................1.84.....................6 .85.........................13.17 CALCIUM..............0.33.....................1.22 ...........................2.34 PHOSPHORUS........0.28.....................1.05...........................2.01 POTASSIUM..........0.32.....................1.18.. .........................2.27 SODIUM................0.08.....................0.3 0..........................0.58 KITTEN ........................As fed Basis,...........Dry Matter............g/Per 1000 .............................%.................... Basis, %................KCAL ME M.E. KCAL/KG.......1426.60..................5303.35......... .............- MOISTURE............73.10.......................-..............................- PROTEIN...............11.49...................42.7 1........................80.54 FAT.....................11.30...................42 .01........................79.21 CARBOHYDRATES....1.99.....................7.40.... ....................13.95 FIBER...................0.25...................... 0.93.........................1.75 ASH.....................1.87...................... 6.95.......................13.11 CALCIUM..............0.45......................1.6 7.........................3.15 PHOSPHORUS........0.31......................1.15.........................2.17 POTASSIUM..........0.28......................1.04. ........................1.96 SODIUM...............0.25......................0.9 3.........................1.75 The phosphorus dry matter basis is what you what to look at, ideally it should be as close or lower than 1.00 as possible bearing in mind you want the best ingredients at the same time.
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ok i will ask for copy when i go today
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I'm sure it was the collar that prevented her from climbing into the litterbox, plus the meds are probably making her feel woozy. Hang in there, meow, focus on the small victories, it will get better, she's come this far, hasn't she?
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thank you so much. she has. i just placed 2 calls to 2 dentists to see if they will do a review of what was done to tell me if it was even needed. we did a pancreas test and are waiting for results.
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Nope, he's wrong. The thing is, vets really don't know a great deal about feline nutrition and when they say the protein needs to be lowered for CRF kitties, they're basing that on an ancient study done on RATS. Rats are not cats. I know it's confusing to hear one thing from strangers on some message board and completely the opposite from a vet, who is assumed to be knowledgable about this stuff, but I would bet money on the fact that I've done more reading and research on this subject in the last 6 years than this vet ever has. Plus, I don't have a vested interest in selling a product. Nor do I have sales reps for these products coming to my home and bombarding me with their dubious propaganda.
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