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Old May 7th, 2010, 07:39 AM
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Luckypenny, you have my sympathy as well. I am so sorry it happened but it was inevitable. I know it is a very hard decision to make but it would make you happier at the end knowing that both girls are happy living seperately.
See it as a marriage that just can't work. These two need to be seperate.
I see this as you being the child in a bad marriage (mine actually) and as much as it hurts to see them seperate, in the long run they will be happier and so will you.
Can you imagine living every day not knowing when the next fight happens, and will it be fatal..??
This is never easy, especially knowing how much you love these guys..
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Old May 7th, 2010, 01:39 PM
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One of the most extraordinary books I have ever read ~ one that resonated so profoundly that I often had to put it down because it grabbed me and shook me by the very neck of my soul ~ reminds me of you.

If a Dog's prayers Were Answered Bones Would Rain From the Sky ~ Suzanne Clothier.

I know you don't want training advice and I am certainly not in a position to provide it but, if you haven't already, read this book. Whenever my heart needs a little healing or I know need to re-frame my thinking but don't know how, I pick it up.

kiddo. I think we know this is not a passing intellectual interest or even a need to be a super-do-gooder with you. We know it's a life you have chosen and committed yourself in very deep and meaningful way. We know and respect that you do what you do out of love. Thanks for telling us.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 01:48 PM
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Old May 7th, 2010, 02:07 PM
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LP i'm so sorry this happened. you have my heart and thoughts with you. I'm here for you when every you need a hug or a ear. wish i could give you a world's biggest hug right now.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 05:38 PM
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Thank you for all the kind words everyone...I feel like I don't deserve them but they are appreciated.
Okay, don't take this the wrong way but that comment makes me want to slap you



and then hug you .

You are sooooo deserving of kind words! I'm sure this situation is bringing back memories of your relationship with a dog that you feel you failed (you have referred to occasionally) and that is compounding how you are feeling. This is obviously a nightmare for you and I (and I am sure I can speak for most others here) know that you have done / will do absolutely everything humanly possible to produce the best outcome for both dogs regardless of the toll to you and your family.

My thoughts are with you. Hope the dogs are recovering okay .
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Old May 7th, 2010, 05:47 PM
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There is nothing more that I can add to what has already been said. You will do what is right because you are a very wise person who will think it through.

Here's hoping that both pups recover both physically and emotionally and that you take the time to breathe

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Old May 7th, 2010, 06:04 PM
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Okay, don't take this the wrong way but that comment makes me want to slap you and then hug you .
No kidding? I think I'm so-called "dysfunctional" when it comes to praise ...then there's you LP. A 2x4 might get through. I'm not convinced.

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Old May 7th, 2010, 06:43 PM
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Okay, don't take this the wrong way but that comment makes me want to slap you



and then hug you .

You are sooooo deserving of kind words! I'm sure this situation is bringing back memories of your relationship with a dog that you feel you failed (you have referred to occasionally) and that is compounding how you are feeling. This is obviously a nightmare for you and I (and I am sure I can speak for most others here) know that you have done / will do absolutely everything humanly possible to produce the best outcome for both dogs regardless of the toll to you and your family.

My thoughts are with you. Hope the dogs are recovering okay .

Well Said, Teri.

If I could put my thoughts into words I would say the same thing but, unfortunately, I am sooo lacking in that department as most of you know.

Take care LP .......you always make the right decision.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 08:17 PM
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LP, if you knew a person who was going thru the same situation as u are and they asked u for suggestions what would u suggest they do? Remember these aren't your dogs, but someone else's.




I'm hoping having u think of it this way might make your decision a tiny bit easier to make and not make u feel as guilty.

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LP, if you knew a person who was going thru the same situation as u are and they asked u for suggestions what would u suggest they do? Remember these aren't your dogs, but someone else's.




I'm hoping having u think of it this way might make your decision a tiny bit easier to make and not make u feel as guilty.

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I'm so sorry to hear this

I know how difficult it can be when a dog or dogs just can't get along. My mother in law's dog, who just passed away at around 14, was intolerant of just about any dog. He somewhat accepted the 2 dogs he lived with but not really, there were still fights. Personally I would have had him put to sleep (rehoming would have been impossible because of some of his issues - too dangerous), but she couldn't do it. It's a wonder that he didn't kill another dog while he was still around. He was also dangerous to people in some cases, especially right before he died.
He caused some pretty bad injuries to her other 2 dogs. Whenever I brought my own dogs to her house he had to be locked away, which was pretty stressful to everyone involved.

I won't tell you whether you should rehome one of the dogs or not (I don't even know the situation well enough) just that it may be majorly stressful for everyone involved to constantly juggle them back and forth, and I know this from personal experience. I wish you and your dogs the best no matter what decision you make, and hope for a strong recovery from their injuries
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Old May 8th, 2010, 09:24 AM
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Okay, don't take this the wrong way but that comment makes me want to slap you



and then hug you .
good one TeriM !

no really LP , many of us know how hard you worked with all your dogs. And it is harder than it seems , to have a multi dogs family. You have tried to help as many as you could. But the fuzzbutts don't always understand that
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Old May 8th, 2010, 07:32 PM
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At the moment, we are looking/asking amongst our closest friends and family for a new home for Ava, someone we would trust with our lives, with her life. Choosing between the two isn't an option as there is no room for mistakes with Penny. Our decision is based on giving them both a fair chance although it's still not an easy one to make.

They are both stressed right now. Even though they can't see each other, they can smell each other. We've given them each a floor of the house and, seeing our yard is divided, Ava uses one and Penny the other (never at the same time). Ava sleeps with my son in his room downstairs...the humans are actually the ones doing the rotating...but she really wants to be with her Lucky-man.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 09:48 PM
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How are the battle wounds looking? Poor things to be so stressed...
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Old May 8th, 2010, 09:54 PM
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They're healing as well as they should be. Ava's going to the vets by mid week to have a look over and a thorough exam, blood tests included to rule out any medical issues. Penny gets her staples out next Saturday, same thorough exam/blood tests for her at that time as well.
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I hope you find your Angel LP.
I hope so too .
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I know whatever you do will be the best thing for everyone. You are a doggy
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Old May 10th, 2010, 07:41 AM
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I am so sorry you are going through this. Out of every person I know, you have done so much for these dogs, most would have given up a long time ago.
It is never easy making the decision, but as you know the more stress in the house because of the situation, the more stressed the dogs are, and possible all the hard work you have done with Penny can regress.
I really hope you can place her, Ava is a sweet dog.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 01:48 PM
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Ava had her vet visit this morning, she's healing well. She had blood drawn for full comprehensive tests, samples are being sent to Hemolife/Hemopet Laboratories. She was super wiggly/jiggly to see the vet staff again. She was an in the waiting room with other patients and their people.

All in all, she's doing really good, she's rather enjoying all the one on one time with us and her extra long walks along some trails I found nearby.

Because of the stress felt by all (human and dog alike) in our household, we will be bringing Ava to a boarding facility later this week until test results have returned and until she's assessed by a specialist. It comes highly recommended and I know some people who work there. I will be spending time visiting the premises, setting up her routine, and getting to know the staff before I leave. I'll also be visiting with her as frequently as possible. In the meantime, we will continue our search for the perfect home for her.

Penny is still very anxious going in and out of the yard, or into rooms. She's been rather clingy and whines frequently. She did start to play with Nukka for short periods again so we're taking that as a good sign.
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This must be so hard on you LP. I am so sorry you are going through it. I hope the facility works for you.
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LP my heart hurts for you that you are having to go through this. I cannot fathom how hard it has to be for you. Poor Penny afraid to go into a room. As hard as moving Ava away will be, I'm sure it will turn out for the best. to you for keeping up with it all. Stay strong, your angel will come along.
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Thank you 14+ and DD.

It's supposed to be one of the top boarding/training/agility etc. places in Quebec. The best place for Ava would be in a home but, this is what I can offer her for now.

Once test results are in for both girls, we're arranging an in-home visit, and a visit with Ava, with a specialist from out-of-province (we've been to consult with her at her center in the past). Although we hold no hope for a re-introduction, we need to learn where to from here. We also want Ava's new guardians to be confident in the wonderful girl they'll be adding to their family.

I'll keep you updated as things progress.
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LP,I probably missed something written about Ava before,but is she aggressive with all dogs,or is it just Penny,or another female??
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LP, I've been thinking of you and the pups, even though I don't write much. I'm no dog expert so I don't know much, but just know You and the pups are in my thoughts.
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LP,I probably missed something written about Ava before,but is she aggressive with all dogs,or is it just Penny,or another female??
I too am so sorry,it must be very,very difficult
Ava is not an aggressive dog, chico. Like many mature dogs, she doesn't tolerate pushy-in-your-face-yappy dogs but the most she'll do is give a complaining growl and walk away. The majority of dogs will respect that and leave her be. She's had no problems with any of our fosters with the exception of one female who was as described as above but she never hurt her. In her previous home, she didn't get along with another female dog but I was told it was a dog-aggressive dog. If Ava says, "knock it off," she means it...and Penny has always refused to cede to her. Instead, Penny would challenge her which is where the squabbles would begin (and end quickly as Ava always stopped and came to us when called).

In our home, Ava is fine with other dogs/puppies (she and Penny would take turns sharing my pillow and could always be found sleeping together ), she just doesn't pay much attention to them but...she adores Lucky. He's the only dog she's ever wanted to actively play with. She also loves the wee little puppies, the ones who are young enough that they aren't in that rambunctious stage yet. I think she would do well in a home as a single dog or, with a mature calm male.

We're still not sure exactly what happened last week. I mean, yes, I saw exactly how it started (nothing we'd experienced with them before), how Lucky got involved...I just don't have the answer to 'why?' yet. That's what we're hoping the behaviorist will be able to shed some light on. She's already given us some ideas to consider...which explains the blood tests. Hopefully we'll at least get some answers within the next couple of weeks .
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I sure hope that all will work out for the best with Ava, Lucky, Penny and sweet little Nukka.

You and your family have been through so much and we're all here to support you and your decisions.
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Thank you LP,for explaining,
I wish,the animals were able to tell us why they do the things they,tell us what is wrong,I can only hope for the best for Ava and you
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LP, I'm sorry you are facing this. I hope the physical wounds heal quickly and the mental demons brought under control. This has to be so hard, but you are putting the welfare of all these precious pups first. You are in my thoughts.
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