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Welfare in Dog Training
Several organizations have collectively taken out a position statement againts dominance and aversive based training methods. Thanks to Lindsay for posting it in another site.
Part of it reads http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/ab...is-website.php Quote:
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Excellent and informative website! Thank you for sharing, Beauceron. The first page explains what it's all about. For any one who wants to learn more, this is a great place to start! I strongly recommend reading through all their pages.
From the 'home' page: Quote:
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"To close your eyes will not ease another's pain." ~ Chinese Proverb “We must not refuse to see with our eyes what they must endure with their bodies.” ~ Gretchen Wyler |
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Thanks for the post... It is indeed helpful... and by the way guys, have you seen this video on youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6JJExqNF3o It's so cute... A father training his daughter to train a dog.. LOL, and I find out that the dogs will follow you easier when you speak softly rather than yelling at them..
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well, since it was brought up...
i am not saying i agree with cesar's approach 100% - because i DON'T - but he does make a lot of valid points on his show. regarding the importance of relaxation and exercise for the dog - calm and assertiveness of the owner. and he does NOT advocate the use of prong collars et al...just works with the collars the owners already use - this was clearly stated on his show several times. although the majority of his work is based on dominance theory, he rarely does the alpha roll over as well but that seems to be the only thing people associate with him at this point for the few times he has done it - and the dogs he did it to where completely whacked and could not relax. it should also be noted the dogs he works with much of the time are the worst cases where nothing else has worked - and he is not a dog trainer either. he does rehabilitation. there is a difference.
i thought i would speak up on this and give cesar some appreciation for what he does because there has been a real hate on for cesar lately on the internet and clearly the people criticizing him have not watched many of his shows or if they have had not really critically thought about it. i have watched all of them to date. AGAIN, not everything on his show is awesome though but i think he has done a lot of good too. ![]() personally, i advocate for the use of operant conditioning via positive reinforcement and negative punishment before anyone yells at me calling me a cesar-dominance-lover lol ![]() |
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Must say I agree, echoica. Cesar is not a dog trainer. He states this every show. He spends more time getting through the thick skulls of humans than anything. I do not agree with everything he does either--we all have our own opinions on what works based on our own experiences with our own pets and the pets of others we have worked with. Those willing to try methods they have never heard about as they become mainstream thought thanks to engines such as the internet are the people I like to discuss my interests with. Those who jump to join an attack on anyone I find less interesting. I have found Cesar to be learning just as the rest of us, and in the last 10 yrs he has changed much of what he does with dogs and the media both.
I seldom connect with any large organizational platform--by their very nature they will include too much fluff that clouds the real issues. By the way, I did read the entire website--and I agree with giving the public yet another place to go to see how negative punishment based training does not work.
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I agree with echoica. I have learned a lot from Cesar but I wouldn't do a lot of the things he does. What scares me isn't him, but people who watch a couple shows then try the things that he does. Even though he repeatedly tells people NOT to do them at home, to consult a qualified trainer, they still try. Things like alpha rolls, breaking up fights, things that could get people hurt.
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