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Old May 3rd, 2013, 05:43 PM
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so I talked to the vet tech that is the one I know and she told me that the phosphorus binder would help his kidneys the same as Azodyl does. So here I go again talking to people who know absolutely nothing about diet or supplements used in CKD.

So I told her that the vet had told me the supplement was the same as Azodyl and since Azodyl is a probiotic, it seemed more appropriate than giving him a phosphorus binder when his phosphorus level is not yet elevated.

I then mentioned that the company also makes Renal Advanced which is a little more similar to Azodyl and she agreed that they carry both of them. She told me if I want the Renal Advanced instead she would talk to the other vet. She called me back to tell me that the Renal Advanced was for very advanced kidney disease and they didn`t think it was appropriate for Sam, but if I wanted it they would exchange the Renal for the Renal Advanced formula. I told her I`d get back to her on Monday with my answer after looking into it further. When I looked at the composition of Renal Advanced it does have some vitamins in it but seems to only have two probiotics in it and only one I think that's the same as Azodyl:

Composition of Renal Advanced: Maltodextrin, Fructooligosaccharides, Lespedeza capitata dry extract (titration 4% in Rutin), Orange bioflavonoids (titration 40% in Hesperidine), Vitamin C, Enterococcus faecium SF68 (10 bln/g), Vitamin B6, Lactobacillus acidophilus DSM13241 (50 bln/g), Folic acid, Vitamin B12

So what do you think SCM? It would probably be better to get the human probiotic that you recommended instead of either of them.

I did look at the two capsule sizes against the size of a quarter on Tanya`s site and the smaller cap still looks too big to shove three down his throat a couple of times a day.

When I was reading her website I noticed there is a human form of Azodyl called Renadyl and it has twice the number of bacteria in it and the capsules have been taken apart and given to the cat mixed with a small amount of fatty food with success. I just wondered SCM if you have heard of this being used? However it does look like it's expensive, definitely more expensive than the human probiotics you recommended.

So I probably will decide to give Sam one of the human probiotics and hope it works to lower his BUN.

Thanks again SCM for your help with this decision I have to make.
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