Here's a better picture. As I can see it, he is Ideal but might have a veryyyyy thin layer of fat. He just turned a year old tho, so we are starting to go down with treats for good behavior and he's chewing less leather bones and such. So I can in all he is ok but we have to keep making sure he doesn't over eat. Thank you for the link by the way. very helpfull. We do feel his ribs when palping but with a slight pressure