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hazelrunpack November 12th, 2017 07:44 AM

Can I feed turkey neck to JD?
 
He's only 6 pounds. Would a turkey vertebra be too large for him? I'm not so interested in using it for food, but he has bad teeth and gnawing seems to help him. With Thanksgiving coming up, I was thinking about saving out the neck, or part of it, for his chewing pleasure...but is he likely to hurt his jaw, or maybe get too [I]much[/I] bone from something the size of a turkey vertebra?

Reg November 12th, 2017 10:44 AM

Good morning Hazel:

I would be trying the turkey neck to see if he'll eat it. What I would do is cut the neck into 3 or 4 pieces - depending on how long it is - and put each piece into a small zip lock bag, so they can be either refrigerated or frozen for future use. :D

When it comes time to give him a piece, thaw it out and then place the bag with the neck piece in it, into a container of hot tap water to warm it up to body temperature. "Do not use microwave". :yuck: It's too hard to control the heat and it also starts the cooking which destroys the nutritional value of the neck. :yuck::yuck:

I use chicken necks when I can get them. I use the necks out of Cornish Hens because they come with the bird still. Chicken necks don't come with the birds anymore, neither do the giblets. BB loves the necks from Cornish hens. I think they might be a little softer than chicken and smaller. :goodvibes:

BB, our Manx kitty cat, is the only one of our three who eats them anyway.
We had a vet years and years ago who believed in feeding necks of birds to cats, and oxtails to dogs, 2 or three times a week, under supervision. This was for teeth maintenance and a well deserved treat. The sinews and the bone have the effect of a toothbrush to remove plaque and clean the teeth similar to flossing. :D

Our turkey necks end up going into broth to be mixed into the cat food when I make it. I think I'll try the turkey necks one of these days. I have to make up food in the next week or so, and it will be turkey. ;)

Hope this helps a bit.

Barkingdog November 12th, 2017 10:59 AM

I wonder why the giblets don't come with the birds anymore , was going to give the heart and liver to my dogs . I was thinking the same about cutting the turkey neck into pieces too. Reg.

hazelrunpack November 12th, 2017 05:22 PM

So I won't need to smash or cut each vertebra into smaller pieces, Reg? Just let him gnaw on it like with chicken neck pieces? I suspect one turkey vertebra at a time would be more than plenty, and I'm hoping he likes it, cuz then we'll have lots of chewing material :D

I wish giblets came with chickens--but as it is, I satisfy my craving for organ meats by buying the occasional package of chicken livers. Wish I could get hearts and gizzards, too, but that's a turkey sort of treat these days...so once or twice a year.

Reg November 12th, 2017 11:03 PM

Hazel:

Been giving your situation some more thought. :D Because JD is only 6 pounds - didn't realize he was that small :laughing: - maybe it would be best to give him 2 vertebra at a time to start and see how he handles it.

Basically what you're wanting to do is stimulate the chewing action on the meat and sinews that connect the bone, to help clean the teeth, exercise the jaw, and stimulate the blood flow through the gums. This in turn will help to relieve infection around the teeth and strengthen his gums.

You really don't want him to be over indulging on bone because it will have a tendency to harden up the stool when he has a bowel movement due to the Calcium content. :eek:

I will be making turkey later this week and I will try a turkey neck as well with BB.

I'm going to check with our butcher to find out why they have quit including the giblets with the chickens. I did ask this question a few years back, but I can't remember what the answer was for sure. :shrug: I think it is a health issue, but not sure. But we do have the ability to buy heart, liver, and gizzards separately in the stores here.

hazelrunpack November 13th, 2017 07:51 AM

You can get chicken heart and gizzards separately? I'm envious! They only sell the chicken livers here as far as I know--but I'll have hubby check on his next grocery run.

Yeah, JD is a little runt. :D We did up his food a bit, so he's usually 6 to 6.2 pounds (he used to be about 5.8 or 5.9). That seemed to help both is overall health and the quality of his fur. If I let him get more than 6.2, though, he starts getting sort of paunchy... :o So he's just a little guy.

If he does get too much bone the first time and his stool hardens up, can I give him a little pumpkin for a day or so to help him out? Or is pumpkin something that cats can't handle well?

Longblades November 13th, 2017 10:19 AM

I did not realize JD was that small either. What about chicken necks? I buy them in a bag at my raw food supplier. I keep them in the freezer. My supplier just lives down the road. The turkey necks he has are HUGE but I know the necks from the grocery store turkeys meant for MY table are much smaller.

rhynes November 13th, 2017 04:46 PM

You're on the right track with his teeth, nothing like raw bones as a toothbrush. Don't worry, give the turkey neck and let him have at it. My minpin is raw fed, and eats pretty much anything now, bones small and large. Pork ribs are great, I'll buy a rack at a time, cut them up and freeze - feed as needed. Chicken feet are a good chew, any chicken bone actaully. Do not cook them, tho mine has gotten into cooked bones and it did no harm.

hazelrunpack November 13th, 2017 05:51 PM

I wish I had a supplier just down the road, Longblades!! As it is, even chicken necks are hard to get here--so I was hoping I could utilize the turkey neck from our Thanksgiving Dinner as chews for the cat. :D

Do I take the skin off it, do you think? It's a lot thicker and fattier than on chicken necks...

Reg November 13th, 2017 10:34 PM

I don't think you can go too far wrong with having a small can of pumpkin puree on hand - which is the pure pumpkin. :thumbs up Just in case you have issues with constipation. What you can do is freeze it in zip lock baggies in small amounts once it has been opened.

I use it in the food when I'm making it up. I use between 1 and 2 tablespoons per pound of meat. :goodvibes:

Usually the skin is already off the neck due to the way they are butchered.

Hopefully my turkey is thawed out enough by tomorrow that I can get the neck out of the bird and see what the results are of introducing BB to the turkey neck. :laughing:

I don't think you will have too much trouble with JD and the turkey neck as long as it is used as a treat 2 or maybe 3 times a week in small amounts.

I also get my chicken heart, livers, and gizzards all fresh. The odd time they may be frozen if I get them locally - but into TB they are usually fresh.

hazelrunpack November 14th, 2017 08:02 AM

Oh, yeah--come to think of it, they usually [I]are[/I] skinless these days. :o That's good--less work for me! :laughing:

Our 'local' stores are small shops and don't have a lot available in the way of organs and necks. I had a thought, though--lots of Amish in the area that sell fryer chickens... Hmmmm...

Barkingdog November 14th, 2017 08:51 AM

I can buy some gizzards separately too and I think the stores are removing the gizzards and selling them separately to made more $$$ ! Some people like to add the gizzards when making gravy for more flavor . Marty teeth are getting dirty but I not sure I dare to give him any turkey necks , he'll want to eat it on my w/w rug :yuck:

Reg November 14th, 2017 10:48 PM

Got my turkey thawed out and got the neck out. Cut it into pieces about an inch and half long with my meat cleaver. Gave BB a piece after supper tonight. It was an inopportune time to give it to her because she had just had her supper. But for the short time she was at it , she ate quite a bit of the meat. :laughing:

Try JD on the same amount and see how he makes out. The size in diameter doesn't mean that much - they turn their head sideways to the meat and chew into it with their molars. :D

All you can do is watch and see how he handles it, and make any changes necessary. like splitting the piece in half lengthwise.

I talked to the meat department people today - the manager wasn't in - and they more or less agreed with what Barkingdog suggested - that it's a way to make more $$$$.

But it seems to me that I sort of remember that the reason they remove the giblets from the bird if its fresh, is because they tend to spoil quicker than the regular meat of the bird. So if they're left in the cavity and spoil, it contaminates the bird and this can be a health problem. Birds that are slaughtered and then fast frozen can have the giblets left in, like the way we buy turkeys. But I'm still checking to find out if that's what it is. :)

hazelrunpack November 15th, 2017 07:44 AM

The spoilage issue does make sense. Most whole chickens I see in the store are [I]not[/I] frozen.

I'll be taking my turkey out this weekend, so by Wednesday, I'll be able to extract the neck. I'm actually excited about seeing what JD makes of it. I've never been so excited about raw giblets before! :laughing:

Barkingdog November 15th, 2017 04:40 PM

Hazel you should take some photos of JD eating his first turkey neck ! I wonder if the frozen cornish hens have their gizzards inside of them . I would like to give Marty a taste for a treat.

hazelrunpack November 15th, 2017 05:22 PM

I'll try to get some pics--but pray for a sunny day, cuz otherwise it's too dark in his eating area to get a decent shot! :D

Reg November 15th, 2017 10:22 PM

Well Barkingdog, the Cornish Hens we get don't have gizzards in them - in fact, we're lucky if they have a neck inside them. They don't have hearts or liver either.

Glad you brought up the idea of taking a pic of JD enjoying his first turkey neck. That would be nice. :thumbs up

hazelrunpack November 16th, 2017 08:14 AM

I haven't bought Cornish Hens for so long...but if I ever switch JD totally over to raw, I suspect one Cornish Hen might do for a fair amount of meals. Sort of more his size than a whole turkey! :laughing:

Barkingdog November 16th, 2017 01:18 PM

Yeah JD could have leftovers from his Thanksgiving meal if he had a whole Cornish hen for himself ! It been awhile since I had one so I can't remember if it came with any gizzards .

hazelrunpack November 16th, 2017 10:02 PM

I suspect he'd have a week's worth of meals from a Cornish hen, Barkingdog!

[QUOTE=rhynes;1077656]Y Pork ribs are great, I'll buy a rack at a time, cut them up and freeze - feed as needed. Chicken feet are a good chew, any chicken bone actually. [/QUOTE]

rhynes, are these the narrow ribs? I saw some thin ones in a rack but there were also some thicker cuts. Where the heck do you get chicken feet? :eek: :laughing: I think the dogs might enjoy those, too! :D

rhynes November 16th, 2017 10:23 PM

[QUOTE=hazelrunpack;1077683]
rhynes, are these the narrow ribs? I saw some thin ones in a rack but there were also some thicker cuts. Where the heck do you get chicken feet? :eek: :laughing: I think the dogs might enjoy those, too! :D[/QUOTE]

I buy whatever I can get to be honest, feeding a small dog raw anything can be a pain.

I'll buy full pork rib racks, cut them up, leave some meat on and it's a meal for him. There is nothing left when he's done. sometimes the short ribs. As long as the dog is a good chewer, anything goes. I'll buy chicken wings, give him a section - removing the skin. Oxtail isn't cheap, but it's a good chew as well, acts like a dental floss - but beef is pretty rich if your dog isn't raw fed. I'll debone chicken legs, freeze the bones for snacks for him.

My Pin is 9 pounds, hard to find a good selection of bones that he can eat. I buy chicken feet at local asian market - TNT. I have to say, it still grosses me out to watch him eat a chicken foot, he nips the nails off and eats the rest. :eeew:

hazelrunpack November 17th, 2017 07:52 AM

I think our nearest asian market (if we have one) is at least 50 miles away... :( But I still haven't talked to any of the Amish farmers who sell chickens... They sell them whole (and usually living, but I suspect they'd butcher one for me for a price...)

JD is a cat, and only 6 pounds--do you think a rib bone is too hard for him?

rhynes November 17th, 2017 11:39 PM

[QUOTE=hazelrunpack;1077685]I think our nearest asian market (if we have one) is at least 50 miles away... :( But I still haven't talked to any of the Amish farmers who sell chickens... They sell them whole (and usually living, but I suspect they'd butcher one for me for a price...)

JD is a cat, and only 6 pounds--do you think a rib bone is too hard for him?[/QUOTE]

I have to apologize, I missed the part where JD is a cat, I was thinking small dog. Ribs probably wouldn't be a good thing.

hazelrunpack November 18th, 2017 08:37 AM

I should have put that in the first post. :o So a pork rib would be too hard for him to chew on? I'm not looking for a meal suggestion, since he eats primarily canned at this point--just something to help his teeth. (His teeth have been very yellow since he arrived--the vet thinks it might have something to do with his mother's poor nutrition, which is a conjecture since JD was a stray and we really don't know the history of his family. We get them checked and cleaned every 6 months--he's had 4 pulled, 2 incisors because they cracked, 1 incisor because of bone loss and one upper back tooth because it was being resorbed. :( )

hazelrunpack November 23rd, 2017 05:22 PM

The turkey neck was a big hit! I shot some video and put it out on Facebook. Supposedly, this link should take you to it, whether or not you have a FB account:

[URL="https://www.facebook.com/hazelrunpack/videos/1676901795700773/?l=3405496689958609864"]https://www.facebook.com/hazelrunpack/videos/1676901795700773/?l=3405496689958609864[/URL]

I still have 4 or 5 sections of neck left. I was thinking maybe offering it once a week?

Barkingdog November 23rd, 2017 06:14 PM

OMG ! hazel that was so cute the way JD looked for the rest of the neck ! :lovestruck: You should freeze the rest of the piece , once a week sounds fine to me but I bet JD would disagree and want it everyday ! :laughing:

hazelrunpack November 23rd, 2017 10:25 PM

I wrapped them all separately and threw them in the freezer, so I can thaw and serve whenever... :thumbs up And, yeah, he was already looking for another piece tonight, I think! :laughing: He's definitely [I]not[/I] a fussy eater. I keep telling hubby how we lucked out and had the perfect Starter Kitty adopt us!

Reg November 23rd, 2017 11:14 PM

Nice to see JD making short work of the turkey neck. :thumbs up He sure seemed to be enjoying it. I think if you offer it once a week for now to see how things go, that would be fine. It will be interesting to see how he handles the larger end of the neck. I know with BB - she demolishes the small end pretty well the same as JD did - but when it comes to the larger end of the neck, basically all she does is remove the meat and maybe a tiny bit of bone, and then leaves it. :)

Yogi usually takes over then and practices his footwork from one end of the kitchen to the other as if getting ready for a soccer tournament, batting it with his front paws all over the place. It seems to be beneath him to chew on it. :shrug:

Interesting thing would be to watch JD's teeth and gums to see the effect of the chewing action on them. :goodvibes:

hazelrunpack November 24th, 2017 07:42 AM

I tried to cut the larger end into smaller pieces, but the vertebrae cling to one another more strongly on that end! :eek: Holy catz! Even with the game sheers, it was a struggle! (I'm getting weaker in my old age--foiled by a turkey neck! :laughing:)

:fingerscr about improvement to his teeth! I figure the minerals he's getting from the bone can't hurt, either.

[QUOTE=Reg;1077749]Yogi usually takes over then and practices his footwork from one end of the kitchen to the other as if getting ready for a soccer tournament, batting it with his front paws all over the place. It seems to be beneath him to chew on it. :shrug:
[/QUOTE]

:laughing: You made me snort my coffee!

rhynes November 24th, 2017 11:59 AM

I assume you feed the cat commercial products? If that's the case, the only concern with feeding bone would be to check the poop. I feed my dog raw exclusively, I add bone to firm up the poop, if the poop is too hard, then reduce. Just be careful the cat doesn't get bunged up.

Chicken wingettes or tips would be another good source of chewable and edible bone, just remove the skin.

Barkingdog November 24th, 2017 03:05 PM

[QUOTE=Reg;1077749]Nice to see JD making short work of the turkey neck. :thumbs up He sure seemed to be enjoying it. I think if you offer it once a week for now to see how things go, that would be fine. It will be interesting to see how he handles the larger end of the neck. I know with BB - she demolishes the small end pretty well the same as JD did - but when it comes to the larger end of the neck, basically all she does is remove the meat and maybe a tiny bit of bone, and then leaves it. :)

Yogi usually takes over then and practices his footwork from one end of the kitchen to the other as if getting ready for a soccer tournament, batting it with his front paws all over the place. It seems to be beneath him to chew on it. :shrug:

Interesting thing would be to watch JD's teeth and gums to see the effect of the chewing action on them. :goodvibes:[/QUOTE]

I once brought my dog Marty some beef soup bones and gave him one on the deck . Marty took a couple of licks and was done ! Maybe he didn't want to mess up his pretty white fur .:laughing: That is funny about your cat , I know some cats like to play with their fresh dead mouse before eating it . I think this help made the meat tender .

hazelrunpack November 24th, 2017 05:37 PM

[QUOTE=rhynes;1077754]I assume you feed the cat commercial products? If that's the case, the only concern with feeding bone would be to check the poop. I feed my dog raw exclusively, I add bone to firm up the poop, if the poop is too hard, then reduce. Just be careful the cat doesn't get bunged up.

Chicken wingettes or tips would be another good source of chewable and edible bone, just remove the skin.[/QUOTE]

Yep--he's currently on canned food, and I want to make sure I don't get him out of balance. So far, so good. He's pooped twice since he's had the neck and things are looking good :thumbs up (so to speak... :o :laughing:) Eventually, I'd like to get him over to raw, but it's hard to take the plunge. Still researching it, and it seems fairly straightforward, but I hate to mess with a plan that seems to be working, y'know? I lack courage, I guess :o

I'll have to remember the chicken wings. I like them, too, but I suppose since I love the little dude, I can sacrifice my snack for him! :angel: :laughing: Might be a lot easier to find than necks, which seem to be sort of hard to find around here...

rhynes November 24th, 2017 11:09 PM

[QUOTE=hazelrunpack;1077758]Yep--he's currently on canned food, and I want to make sure I don't get him out of balance. So far, so good. He's pooped twice since he's had the neck and things are looking good :thumbs up (so to speak... :o :laughing:) Eventually, I'd like to get him over to raw, but it's hard to take the plunge. Still researching it, and it seems fairly straightforward, but I hate to mess with a plan that seems to be working, y'know? I lack courage, I guess :o

I'll have to remember the chicken wings. I like them, too, but I suppose since I love the little dude, I can sacrifice my snack for him! :angel: :laughing: Might be a lot easier to find than necks, which seem to be sort of hard to find around here...[/QUOTE]

Been feeding dogs raw for over 10 years now, firm believer. It's nerve wracking the first time you jump into raw, but it's not a rocket science, simply feeding an animal :) Can't say I've ever switched a cat to full raw, lots of people have so there's no shortage of folk that can help. Has she ever had a mouse? I've been tempted to try feeding whole mice to my minpin, but there's just something about watching him eating a whole prey item.

If your cat is eating raw, you're lucky. Most cats are creatures of habit and don't like to switch foods, especially to raw. If poop is all good, there's no reason you can't feed a bit of raw here and there. Chewable bones are the best for teeth and gums, natures toothbrush.

hazelrunpack November 25th, 2017 08:15 AM

Definitely no trouble with finicky eating here. JD is an equal opportunity nosher! :laughing: I think it's because of the chronic respiratory thing--not much sense of smell, maybe?

He's never had a mouse that I know of, though we do get them in the basement this time of year, so perhaps he's been having fun while we sleep! :D The basement is exposed on the south side and I know he sees mice and shrews and squirrels and chipmunks on the rocks just outside his sunny windows. "Cat TV", we call it. I know he'd love to get his paws on one... And if he did, I really wouldn't object to it. But, yeah, it would be a little hard to watch. :o

We might have had a rat earlier. The mesh we use to protect the pipe that drains the ground water from around the foundation fell out sometime this summer. We replaced it as soon as we noticed, but a few weeks later, when I was flushing the pipe, I took the mesh out and a drowned rat floated out. :eek: I was creeped out and sad at the same time... :o But I think that the emergency drain in the basement floor comes out through the same pipe somehow, so it's possible the poor little blighter made it into the basement at one time or another. It certainly would explain JD's sudden interest in that side of the basement--normally, there's a closed connecting door, but he started spending a lot of time staring at the crack under the door this summer :laughing: Not sure if he wanted to make friends or go hunting, though. He [I]is[/I] a sociable little guy! :cat:


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